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>> CATHY: WE'VE GOT A FULL SHOW TONIGHT.

WE'LL RECAP THE LEGISLATURE'S SPECIAL SESSION, TALK NATIONAL POLITICS WITH ANGELA GREILING KEANE, AND WE'LL HAVE A LIVE MUSICAL PREVIEW OF JAZZ FEST, WHICH STARTS NEXT WEEK.

MARY LAHAMMER IS FILLING IN FOR ERIC ESKOLA TONIGHT, AND SHE'S BEEN UP AT THE CAPITOL THIS WEEK TOO.

>> SINE DIE.

>> Mary: SPECIAL SESSION IS HISTORY, BUT DIFFICULT DECISIONS MADE COULD AFFECT SOME POLITICAL FUTURES AHEAD.

>> I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE HURT BY THAT VOTE.

>> IT'S AMONG THE MOST -- >> MAKING HISTORY IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

>> DEMOCRACY'S WORKING HERE.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: POLITICS IS THE THEME OF THE WEEK.

A POLITICAL SCIENCE DUO IS STANDING BY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS WEEK'S LEGISLATIVE SPECIAL SESSION WITH OUR PANEL AT THE END OF THE SHOW.

PLUS, WE'LL LOOK AT THE TRAVEL BAN THAT WENT INTO EFFECT MONDAY.

>> Mary: WE'LL PREVIEW A JUNETEENTH VENT, AND HAVE AN ESSAY FROM TANE DANGER LATER IN THE SHOW, BUT WE START THE SHOW WITH NATIONAL POLITICS.

THURSDAY, GOVERNOR WALZ TESTIFIED BEFORE A HOUSE HEARING ALONGSIDE TWO OTHER DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS.

REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS CHALLENGED THE GOVERNORS' IMMIGRATION POLICIES IN A SOMETIMES HEATED HEARING.

AND IN BIG INTERNATIONAL NEWS, TRUMP FINDS HIMSELF AT THE CENTER OF CONFLICT BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN.

JOINING US NOW, ANGELA GREILING KEANE, NEWS DIRECTOR WITH BLOOMBERG GOVERNMENT.

ANGELA, ANOTHER BUSY TRAVEL WEEKEND FOR THE MINNESOTA GOVERNOR.

HE WENT COAST TO COAST LAST WEEKEND, A SPEAKER IN D.C. TODAY, BUT REALLY THE MAIN EVENT I THINK WAS THE CONGRESSIONAL HEARING.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT YESTERDAY?

>> YES, IT REALLY WAS A SPECTACLE AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK THE OTHER TWO GOVERNORS EXPECTED IT TO BE.

THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE WALKING INTO THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROL, IS A PLACE WHERE THEY ARE LOOKING TO SCORE POINTS.

THESE GOVERNORS KNEW THAT THEY HAD A CHANCE TO BE ON THE NATIONAL STAGE, AND THAT THEY DID.

BUT HEY DID NOT MAKE ANY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE DURING THAT HEARING WHERE THEY WERE OSTENSIBLY TALKING ABOUT SANCTUARY STATES ISN'T EVEN A TECHNICAL DEFINITION.

BUT THEY VEERED OFF INTO BIDEN'S AGE, AND TRANSGENDER BATHROOM ACCESS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS OF VARIOUS NATURES.

SO THEY -- THEY DID FINE ON THE STAGE.

BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A SPECK TECHCAL.

>> Cathy: IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE HOUSE WHILE TOM EMMER, MINNESOTA MEMBER TOM EMMER LIGHT INTO GOVERNOR WALZ.

THERE'S A FROSTY RELATIONSHIP THERE.

DID YOU NOTICE THAT?

AND WHAT DID YOU THINK?

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND HE PREVIEWED THAT.

CONGRESSMAN EMMER PUT OUT A SOCIAL MEDIA VIDEO WHERE HE MADE NO BONES WHERE HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE WELCOMING THE GOVERNOR OF HIS OWN STATE WITH OPEN ARMS.

A COUPLE OTHER REPUBLICAN MEMBERS FROM THE MINNESOTA DELEGATION ALSO APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.

THEY WERE INVITED TO DO SO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT MEMBERS OF THE JOAR SIGHT COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO A COUPLE DEMOCRATS CAME AS WELL.

SO BOTH FRIENDS AND FOES OF THE GOVERNOR HAD A CHANCE TO BE ON CAMERA, SAY THEIR WORDS, AND CERTAIN WAYS, ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.

>> Mary: AND WE WANT TO LET VIEWERS KNOW THEY'LL SEE SOME CLIPS IN A SECOND.

LAST WEEK, WE HEARD A LOT OF NATIONAL NEWS ANALYSTS SAYING, TIM WALZ IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

A WEEK AGO, HIS HEADLINES WERE, DEMOCRATS NEED TO BE MEANER.

BUT DID WE SEE KIND OF MINNESOTA NICE?

HE TRIED TO REMIND EMMER, WE WERE IN CONGRESS TOGETHER.

WHEN WE GOT ALONG.

I MEAN, HOW DID THAT MEAN, SLASH, NICE WALZ PLAY YOU THINK?

>> YEAH, I THINK HE DID SAY THAT MINNESOTA IS COOPERATING WHEN IT IS LEGAL TO DO SO.

WITH IMMIGRATION LAWS NATIONALLY.

SO HE CERTAINLY MADE THAT POINT.

AND I THINK HAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO THE MORE MODERATE VOTER.

WE CERTAINLY KNOW THAT ILLINOIS GOVERNOR PRITZKER IS INTERESTED IN AT LEAST TESTING THE WATERS FOR RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT NEXT TIME.

GOVERNOR HOCHUL IS RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN NEW YORK, SO ALL OF THOSE GOVERNORS WERE ON A STAGE, LOOKING TO SPEAK BEYOND THEIR OWN CONSTITUENCIES.

IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY TO KNOW IF GOVERNOR WALZ IS INTERESTED IN HEADING BACK TO THE NATIONAL STAGE AND -- IN FOUR YEARS OR THREE YEARS OR BEYOND.

BUT HE -- WOULD HAVE BEEN UNLIKELY TO HAVE ACCEPTED THAT INVITATION -- >> Mary: RIGHT, AND WHAT ABOUT COMPARATIVELY, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT UESTION, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF ANALYSTS SAY THAT HE WAS THE LEAST AGGRESSIVE OF THE THREE.

ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING ON THAT?

>> GOVERNOR HOCHUL REPRESENTS RS NEW YORK AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUCCEED IN NEW YORK POLITICS AND HONESTLY MANY NEW YORKERS WOULD SAY SHE'S NOT SUCCEEDING IN NEW YORK POLITICS.

AND NEW YORKERS ARE PRETTY DIFFERENT THAN MINNESOTANS.

SO I WOULD SAY -- >> Mary: YOU KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, DON'T YOU?

>> ATTRIBUTABLE TO GEOGRAPHY AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT.

GOVERNOR WALZ IS KNOWN FOR BEING, EVEN THOUGH HE'S ORIGINALLY NOT FROM MINNESOTA, HE'S LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND HE'S KNOWN FOR KIND OF HEWING TO THE MINNESOTA STEREOTYPE NICE, POLITE, AW SHUCKS PERSONALITY AND I THINK WE DID SEE SOME OF THAT.

ALTHOUGH HE CERTAINLY STOOD UP TO THE CRITICS WITHOUT GETTING FLUSTERED AND SOME OF THE RECAPS I READ TODAY LOOKING AT HOW EOPLE DID, MENTIONED THAT HE CERTAINLY DIDN'T BOW TO REPUBLICANS WHO WERE COMING AT HIM FROM ALL SIDES AT SOME POINTS.

>> Cathy: THE HEARING WAS HELD AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE PROTESTS IN LOUISIANA AND THERE WAS THE -- IN L.A., AND THE "WASHINGTON POST" POLL.

ARE WE STARTING TO SEE SOME CRACKS PERHAPS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ADMINISTRATION'S IMMIGRATION POLICIES?

>> WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SCORED A LOT OF POINTS YESTERDAY FOR LITERALLY TACKLING SENATOR ALEX PADILLA FROM CALIFORNIA WHILE HOMELAND SECRETARY KRISTI NOEM WAS SPEAKING.

HE WOULD HAVE SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER OUTLET TO TALK.

BUT EVEN IF SOMEONE'S INTERRUPTING A SPEECH, YOU DO NOT NORMALLY SEE A U.S.

SENATOR TAKEN TO THE GROUND BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO THAT WAS CERTAINLY AN ON CAMERA MOMENT THAT RESONATES WITH PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

NOT JUST IN CALIFORNIA, THAT HAPPENED JUST YESTERDAY, AND WE NOW FROM MARINES ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL GUARD IN CALIFORNIA.- SOARD IN CALIFORNIA.- SO MD IN CALIFORNIA.- SO MORIN CALIFORNIA.- SO MORE CALIFORNIA.- SO MORE PEALIFORNIA.- SO MORE PEOPIFORNIA.- SO MORE PEOPLEORNIA.- SO MORE PEOPLE INIA.- SO MORE PEOPLE I TA.- SO MORE PEOPLE I THI- SO MORE PEOPLE I THINK ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT ASPECT.

IT'S NOT BEEN DONE FOR DECADES TO HAVE THE NATIONAL GUARD CALLED IN BY THE PRESIDENT TO A PLACE WHERE THEY WEREN'T INVITED BY THE GOVERNOR.

SO THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE CERTAINLY BEGINNING UP MORE OPPOSITION.

TOMORROW IN WASHINGTON, D.C., WE HAVE THE MILITARY PARADE THAT'S ALSO ON TREASURE TRUMP'S BIRTHDAY AND THERE WILL BE PROTESTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AGAINST THAT AS WELL.

SO THOSE PROTESTS MAY KIND OF MELD INTO THE PROTESTS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING WITH IMMIGRATION CONCERNS.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT, ANGELA, THANK YOU.

>> Mary: ALL RIGHT.

LAWMAKERS WRAPPED UP THEIR FIRST SPECIAL SESSION OF THE YEAR BY PASSING THE REST OF THE BUDGET TO KEEP STATE GOVERNMENT RUNNING.

FEDERAL CUTS COULD CAUSE THE GOVERNOR TO CALL LEGISLATORS BACK ONCE AGAIN, AND D.C. IS WHERE WALZ CONCLUDED THE WEEK AS HIS NATIONAL POLITICAL PROFILE CONTINUES TO GROW WHILE DEMOCRATS REMAIN DIVIDED BACK AT HOME.

[ PEOPLE CHANTING ] THE START OF SPECIAL SESSION WAS DRAMATIC.

CONCERNS ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND CLAIMS OF DEATHS RESULTING IN THE END OF STATE HEALTHCARE FOR ADULT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

>> ALL: TOGETHER WE STAND, TOGETHER WE FALL!

>> THEY SAY ONE MINNESOTA.

THIS AIN'T ONE MINNESOTA.

[ Gavel banging ] >> REPRESENTATIVE PÉREZ-VEGA, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.

ORDER IN THE CHAMBER.

>> THIS BILL IS CRUEL.

IT IS INHUMANE.

IT WILL COST REAL HUMAN MINNESOTAN LIVES.

VOTE NO.

>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HEALTHCARE FOR THOSE MINNESOTANS, LAW-ABIDING, HARDWORKING MINNESOTANS WHO DEPEND ON IT.

>> Mary: THE TOP DFL LEADERS FROM BOTH CHAMBERS HAD TO DEFY THEIR BASE AND THEIR CAUCUS AND VOTE WITH REPUBLICANS TO UPHOLD A DEAL TO KEEP GOVERNMENT GOING.

>> IN 20 YEARS, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING AS PAINFUL AS THAT.

WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE WHO WILL LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE HURT BY THAT VOTE.

AND I'M -- >> WE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE A REALLY HARD ISSUE.

>> THERE WAS A BUDGET FULL OF HARD AND DIFFICULT CHOICES.

>> I MADE AN AGREEMENT.

I GAVE MY WORD.

I WILL VOTE FOR THIS.

IT'S AMONG THE MOST PAINFUL VOTES I'VE EVER TAKEN.

>> Mary: THE QUESTION NOW IS WHETHER DFL MEMBERS WILL CHALLENGE THEIR LEADERS AND MOVE TO REPLACE THEM.

DO YOU THINK IN THE INTERIM, THERE COULD BE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP?

>> THIS COMPROMISE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL NOT STAND OR.

WE ERE NOT A PART OF MAKING THIS DECISION AND WE CONTINUE TO PUSH OUR LEADERS TO DO BETTER.

>> WE WISH OUR LEADERS HAD DONE BETTER.

>> THIS POLICY NEEDS TO BE THE CEILING AND NOT THE FLOOR FOR HOW WE TREAT OUR HOW WE TREAT OU OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNES.

>> Mary: LABOR LEADERS ALSO JOINED THE P.O.C.I.

CAUCUS IN THEIR QUESTIONS WHICH COULD ALL MAKE GOVERNOR WALZ AMBITIONS MORE UNCERTAIN.

>> IN THE LABOR MOVEMENT, WE BELIEVE THAT HEALTHCARE IS A HUMAN RIGHT, NO MATTER WHERE SOMEONE WAS BORN, WHERE THEY LIVE, OR WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

>> THIS IS ARE ISOUNDING HELL NO AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

>> I SAY TODAY A LITTLE BIT OF MIXED FEELINGS.

IT FEELS LIKE YOU JUST FINISHED A MARATHON AND SOMEONE'S ASKING IF YOU WANT TO RUN ANOTHER ONE.

BUT IT ALSO IS THE EXCITEMENT OF, DEMOCRACY'S WORKING HERE.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

>> Mary: STATE AWMAKERS ARE FACING FEDERAL CUTS WHICH COULD RESULT IN THE GOVERNOR CALLING ANOTHER SPECIAL SESSION FOR A HOUSE LOCKED IN A HISTORIC TIE.

>> MAKING HISTORY IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WITH THE ONLY TIED LEGISLATURE FOR THE SECOND TIME IN HISTORY.

>> IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE GOVERNOR'S ON NATIONAL POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS MIGHT BE PUSHING US TOWARDS HIM WANTING TO CALL US BACK INTO A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> Mary: WALZ IN WASHINGTON TESTIFYING BEFORE CONGRESS.

>> YOU CLAIM YOU'RE NOT A SANCTUARY STATE.

YOU JUST PROVIDE FREE HEALTHCARE, FREE COLLEGE, AND DLBSST TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.

ONE REASON YOU'RE HERE TESTIFYING BEFORE US TODAY IS BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO COOPERATE WITH I.C.E.

>> MINNESOTA FOLLOWS ALL LAWS -- >> IT'S A VERY EASY QUESTION.

IF YOU CLAIM USH NOT A SANCTUARY STATE, YOU JUST -- I GUESS, YOU JUST CLAIM THAT YOU SUPPORT POLICIES -- OU'RE NOT A SANCTUARY STATE BUT YOU SUPPORT POLICIES THAT PREVENT I.C.E.

ROM DOING THEIR JOB.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT IS INCORRECT, CONGRESSMAN.

>> IF YOU THINK THAT'S NOT A SANCTUARY STATE, YOU SHOULDN'T BE GOVERNOR.

>> I DON'T CALL FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GE STAPO.

YOU WERE RECENTLY QUOTED.

WHERE'S THE APOLOGY.

>> DONALD TRUMP.

>> OH, NO.

YOU.

DONALD TRUMP'S NOT HERE.

YOU ARE, GOVERNOR.

YOU'RE A BIG BOY.

>> I WOULD ASK, DON'T WEAR MASKS.

DON'T IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE.

>> GOVERNOR, YOU CALLED THEM GE STAPO A.WILL A.WIO.WILL YOU APOLOGIZE FOR TH?

>> DID YOU EVER VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AND THEN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S COGNITIVE DECLINE?

>> NO, NOT THAT I RECALL.

I WAS PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED WITH MY OWN DEBATE PERFORMANCE THAN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: MORE EXECUTIVE ORDERS THIS WEEK COULD IMPACT IMMIGRATION, POLICE REFORM, AND MORE.

PLUS, THE U.S. HOUSE PASSED A RECISSION PACKAGE TO CLAW BACK FOREIGN AID AND FUNDING FOR THE CORPORATION FOR PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

LET'S KEEP THE POLITICS THEME GOING WITH A DUO OF PROFESSORS.

NEIL KRAUS TEACHES AMERICAN POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN, RIVER FALLS.

AND LARRY JACOBS HEADS THE CENTER FOR POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE U OF M'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

LARRY JACOBS, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO WATCH THAT HEARING?

AND WHAT DID YOU THINK?

HOW DID THE GOVERNOR COME ACROSS?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE WAS A FOOD FIGHT.

I MEAN, THIS WASN'T KIND OF A -- I WOULD SAY A SERIOUS POLICY DEBATE.

HE WAS GETTING MULTIPLE QUESTIONS.

IN FACT, AT ONE POINT HE SAID, WHICH QUESTION SHOULD I ANSWER?

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE TOOK A HIT.

I THINK THE WHOLE INSTITUTION TOOK A HIT.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WALZ HAD A NIX.

HE HAD SOME AREAS WHERE HE WAS IN A BIT OF A RETREAT.

BUT THEN HE SHOWED HE WAS WORKING WITH REPUBLICANS BACK HERE.

HE EMPHASIZED THE COOPERATION WITH FEDERAL OFFICIALS ON IMMIGRATION, UNDOCUMENTED.

SO I THINK THIS WAS NOT A AD SHOWING FOR HIM.

I THINK IT'S WAY TOO EARLY TO BE KIND OF FINE-TUNING, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES HE STAND.

HE'S IN THE IN THE CONVERSATION.

THAT'S THE STORY.

>> AND E WAS BACK ON HIS HOME TURF.

HAD HAHE WAS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

DID IT STRIKE YOU HOW DIFFERENT THIS CONGRESS WAS THAN THE ONE TIM WALZ SERVED IN?

>> OH, YEAH, I'M SURE.

GIVEN HOW CONGRESSMAN EMMER QUESTIONED HIM, KIND OF GAVE A FIVE-MINUTE SPEECH AND I AGREE WITH LARRY.

IT WASN'T ANY SORT OF DEBATE ON THE MERITS OR ON POLICY.

THEY CLEARLY HAVE A HUGE INCENTIVE TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

TO NOT ONLY MAKE IT ABOUT IMMIGRATION BUT TO LINK IMMIGRATION CONSTANTLY TO CRIME.

BECAUSE I GUESS IMMIGRATION ISN'T ENOUGH, RIGHT?

SO YOU HAVE TO CONSTANTLY LINK IT TO CRIME, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, FENTANYL, I MEAN, EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD FROM WHAT WALZ -- >> Cathy: I MENTIONED THAT "WASHINGTON POST" SURVEY ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND HOW VOTERS ARE LOOKING AT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S STABS ON IMMIGRATION.

WILL IMMIGRATION BECOME A STATE ISSUE IF WALZ RUNNING FOR ANOTHER TERM?

>> WELL, FOR URE, IT'S GOING TO BE A STATE ISSUE WITH REPUBLICANS.

AND TIM WALZ HAS GOT A RECORD.

I MEAN, HE DID SIGN LEGISLATION.

YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THOSE IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE NOT DOCUMENTED TO GET DRIVER'S LICENSES.

AROUND THERE IS COVERAGE IN MERBLUM UNTIL RECENTLY.

IN MNSURE, UNTIL RECENTLY.

THE THING IS, DEMOCRATS ON SEVERAL ISSUES, ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF VOTERS.

YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE POLLS AND YOU SEE THAT IT'S A 30-YEAR HIGH IN DETERMINES OF DECREASING IMMIGRATION.

FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT'S KIND OF WORKING FOR HIM.

ON THE TRANS ISSUE, IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WHERE DEMOCRATS ARE KIND OF TIED DOWN.

IT'S ISSUE AFTER ISSUE, WHERE DEMOCRATS MAY BE ON THE WRONG SIDE, PARTICULARLY ON SOME OF THESE CULTURAL ISSUES.

>> Mary: AND HOW DOES IT PLAY BETWEEN OUR TWO STATES, MINNESOTA AND WISCONSIN, IMMIGRATION?

IS IT CHANGING?

ARE THERE NUANCES EMERGING?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IT SEEMS PRETTY FIXED.

THE POLLING ON THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE REPUBLICANS KEEP GOING BACK TO CRIME AND KEEP GOING BACK TO THINGS THAT ARE MUCH MORE INFLAMMATORY LINKING THAT STUFF TO IMMIGRATION.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS SALIENT WITH AS MANY PEOPLE.

IF IT WERE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD SEE THE MILITARYZATION OF LOS ANGELES, AND REALLY, I THINK, WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS ANYTHING IS JUST CRUSH DISSENT, JUST CLAMP DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, PIECEFUL -- >> Mary: DOES IT WORK IN MINNESOTA AND WISCONSIN?

THE LEGISLATURE TACKLED THAT ISSUE.

THAT WAS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.

>> I THINK IMMIGRATION IS GOING TO WORK AND IT'S GOING TO WORK BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A PRESIDENT WHO HAS NATIONALIZED THE ISSUE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO FOLLOW ON THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN HERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAMMERING IT.

SO REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO WANT TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO REALLY HYPE ISSUES.

WE MAY SEE THE ECONOMY WEAKENING, INFLATION GOING UP MORE AND ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO HURT REPUBLICANS.

SO YEAH, THEY WANT A FIGHT ON IMMIGRATION.

IT'S LIKE, BRING IT ON.

>> Cathy: THAT ALSO INCLUDES CLAWING BACK OF FOREIGN AID.

I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

HOW FAR WILL THE SENATE GO WITH THIS?

>> I THINK THE SENATE'S GOING TO MODERATE ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.

I THINK, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE MEDICAID CUTS, I DON'T SEE THEM GOING NEARLY AS FAR AS THE HOUSE.

PARTLY BECAUSE WHAT THE HOUSE IS DOING IS GOING TO HURT A LOT OF STATES, AND THE PUBLIC HOSPITALS THAT SERVE POOR PEOPLE, WHICH ALSO IS THE BASIS FOR THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

SO NO, I THINK THE SENATE'S GOING TO MODERATE.

THEY MAY CLAW BACK -- YOU MAY REMEMBER, 2017, WHEN THEY TRIED TO REPEAL THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, IT COLLAPSED IN THE SENATE.

>> Mary: AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE SOURCES OF INFORMATION, THE PUBLIC BROADCASTING THEY'RE GOING AFTER?

>> I THINK MAYBE MODERATED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M REMINDED SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN WISCONSIN, GOVERNOR WALKER PROPOSED A $300 MILLION CUT TO THE U.W.

SYSTEM, AND THEN THE REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE CUT IT 50 AND WE ALL CELEBRATED, RIGHT?

>> Mary: AND YOUR PUBLIC BROADCASTING IS WITH U.W., RIGHT?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE MODERATING SOMEWHAT, BUT I THINK THE CUTS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY SEVERE.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU.

♪ >> Mary: A FINAL MEETING OF ALL THE LEADERS AT THE GOVERNOR'S RES DENSE BROUGHT WEEKS OF ON AND OFF BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS SEEMINGLY TO A CLOSE.

>> TO USE A HOCKEY ANALOGY, THE GAME'S OVER.

>> THE CHALLENGE IS I THINK MEMBERS FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT.

>> WHAT WE SHOWED IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT MINNESOTANS FIRST.

>> Mary: AN AGREEMENT ON SPECIAL SESSION CAME AFTER THE GOVERNOR CAME UP HIS BIGGEST THING.

>> LEARNED BEFORE, I CAN NEVER MATCH THE INTRANSENS OF REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS.

>> Mary: STILL, DAUDT DEMANDED A FEW MORE LATE CHANGES TO A JOBS BILL.

>> Mary: YOUR CRITICS SAY YOU KEEP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.

>> WELL, THEY KEEP GETTING BETTER GOAL POSTS.

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: LAST WEDNESDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED ANOTHER SO-CALLED "TRAVEL BAN" SIMILAR TO THE ONE HE IMPLEMENTED IN HIS FIRST TERM.- INPLEMENTED IN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AEMENTED IN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN ENTED IN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXTED IN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECD IN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIN HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIV HIS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE IS FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE OR FIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDEIRST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ST TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TH TERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THATERM.- IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THATERM.- TOOK EFFECT MONDAY, HIS ADMINISTRATION LISTED 12 COUNTRIES ACROSS AFRICA, ASIA, AND THE MIDDLE EAST WHOSE CITIZENS ARE NOW BARRED ENTRY TO THE U.S., AS WELL AS SEVEN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE TRAVEL IS RESTRICTED.

CAIR-MN, THE LOCAL BRANCH OF THE COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS, HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE DENOUNCING THE ORDER ON THE DAY IT TOOK EFFECT, AND ITS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, JAYLANI HUSSEIN, JOINS US NOW.

WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Cathy: HOW DIFFERENT IS THIS BAN FROM THE FIRST ONE?

>> I THINK IT'S HE SAME.

IT'S JUST AN EXAMINATION OF THE SAME -- AN EXPANSION OF THE SAME AFRICAN AND PERHAPS MUSLIM BAN.

WE KNOW THERE'S 12 COUNTRIES.

SEVEN ADDITIONAL COUNTRIES INCLUDING SOME ASIAN COUNTRIES IF HERE.

IT DOES IMPACT MINNESOTA SIGNIFICANTLY.

WE HAVE THE LARGEST SOMALI POLICY WHICH IS IMPACTED.

BUT FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE ALSO HAVE KAREN, COMMUNITY FROM MYANMAR AND ALSO LAOS AND HMONG.

>> Cathy: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM SOMALI FAMILIES AS AN EXAMPLE?

>> I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, MANY PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING THIS.

WE WENT THROUGH FOUR YEARS.

WE KNEW AFTER THIS ELECTION IT WAS MORE THAN LIKELY TO COME BACK.

IT DID COME BACK.

PEOPLE WERE PREPARED FOR IT.

IN FACT, THERE WERE SOME RELIEF FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IDEA OF SECURITY IS NOT REALLY TRUE.

BECAUSE OF ALL THESE 12 COUNTRIES, THE PROJECTED NUMBERS IN 2023 WAS LESS THAN 10,000.

IN FACT, OUTSIDE OF HAITI, HAITI IS THE ONLY COUNTRY BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP, IT'S JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE FLORIDA COAST, AND WE KNOW WHY HAITI'S ON THERE, BECAUSE OF HOW POLITICIZED IT WAS, ESPECIALLY IN THE POLITICS OF THE 2024 ELECTIONS, BUT OUTSIDE OF HAITI, THE REST OF THOSE COUNTRIES DON'T EVENING MET UP TO 10,000.

SO SSOMALIA WAS INSPECTED -- PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN REFUGEE CAMPS FOR 20 EARS.

SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN BORN IN THE COUNTRY THEY'RE BANNED FROM.

>> Mary: YOU MENTIONED NUMBERS, AN 11% VISA OVERSTAY RATE.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> 11% FROM 128 PEOPLE.

THAT'S -- >> Mary: THAT'S THE CONTEXT.

>> SO THAT'S NOT EVEN TEN PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND AGAIN, THERE IS A PROGRAM CALLED T.P.S., SO MOST OF THOSE SOMALIS COULD APPLY.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE RELATED DOCUMENTS, PASSPORTS, VISAS, IS THAT IMMEDIATELY FFECTED?

>> NO ONE'S COMING IN WITHOUT BEING EITHER UNITED STATES CITIZEN OR A GREEN CARD HOLDER, SO ANYONE WHO'S OMING IN FOR VISA OR IMMIGRATION VISA, ALL OF THOSE ARE BANNED.

>> Cathy: THAT FIRST TRAVEL BAN WAS CHALLENGED AND UPHELD.

ARE YOU EXPECTING MORE LEGAL CHALLENGES?

>> I'M NOT SO OPTIMISTIC WITH THIS SUPREME COURT, BUT I KNOW OUR LEGAL COMMUNITY IS LOOKING AT EVERY POSSIBLE WAY.

WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT WORKING WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL?

KEITH ELLISON'S HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE IN LAWSUITS.

>> WE'VE DEFINITELY HAD SUCCESS IN THE PAST, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT AS MANY POSSIBLE WAYS.

BUT AGAIN, THE NUMBER OVES OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED IS SO LOW, THIS ENTIRE POLICY IS POLITICALLY BASED.

>> Mary: DO YOU THINK IT'S RACE BASED, RELIGION BASED?

>> IT IS RELIGIOUS AND RACE.

WHEN OU SEE MUSLIMS AND BLACK PEOPLE.

WE ALSO SEE AFRICAN COUNTRIES FOR THE FIRST TIME APPEARING ON THERE AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY.

THE VEES THE VEE VISA OVERSTAY, THERE'S MORE CANADIANS AND U.K. AND SPAIN, IF YOU ADD THOSE NUMBERS.

SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY ADD UP TO THAT.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED SOME FOLKS HAVE BEEN LIVING IN REFUGEE CAMPS FOR, LIKE, 20 YEARS.

WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY?

>> MANY PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR BROTHER AND THEIR SISTER TO BE UNITED.

ALSO, SUCH A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ESCAPE FROM THOSE CAMPS, AND IMAGINE THOSE PEOPLE BEING TOLD THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO GO TO AMERICA.

>> Mary: TALK ABOUT THE SOMALI COMMUNITY.

I THINK I READ IN THE BONDING BILL A LINE ITEM FOR THE SOMALI MUSEUM?

>> WE WERE EXPECTING THAT TO HAPPEN TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN WE HAD THE SURVIVOR PLUS.

[Overlapping conversations] THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING OUT OF THE DOOR BUT I THINK SOMALIA -- THE SOMALI COMMUNITY IS A BIG FABRIC OF THE MINNESOTA EXPERIENCE.

WE LIKE TO GET OUR SAMBUSA OUT THERE, MAKE IT A MINNESOTA THING.

THIS MUSEUM WILL SERVE AS A REALLY GREAT EDUCATION FOR YOUNG SOMALIS WHO WERE BORN HERE AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SOMALI IN MINNESOTA AND PLACE OF PLACEMAYBE A PLACE PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL COME TO MINNESOTA.

IT HAS THE HIGHER AMOUNT OF ARTIFACTS IN THE WORLD.

IT'S PROBABLY I THINK THE BEST MUSEUM OUTSIDE OF SOMALIA.

IT IS ON LAKE STREET.

AND THEY DO HOWS AND PROGRAMMING.

SO REALLY EXCITED FOR THEM TO HAVE A CENTER AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, A PLACE THAT MINNESOTANS CAN ALL ENJOY AND BE PART OF ONE OF THOSE LANDMARKS THAT WE GO VISIT.

>> Cathy: >> Cat >> Cathy: THAT'S EXCITING.

♪ >> Mary: JUNETEENTH IS COMING UP AND EVENTS COMMEMORATING IT ARE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND.

THE RONDO CENTER OF DIVERSE EXPRESSIONS IS SET TO CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH WITH A NEW EXHIBIT AT THE RONDO COMMEMORATIVE PLAZA THIS COMING THURSDAY.

HERE TO TELL US MORE IS THE FOUNDER OF THE RONDO CENTER OF DIVERSE EXPRESSIONS AND CHAIR OF RECONNECT RONDO, MARVIN ANDERSON.

OKAY, WHAT'S ON TAP, THURSDAY?

[ Laughter ] >> IT'S A CELEBRATION.

>> Mary: YEAH.

>> IT'S A CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM.

A CELEBRATION OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

IT'S A CELEBRATION OF JUSTICE.

AND IT'S ALSO A REMINDER OF THE ONGOING STRUGGLE FOR EQUALITY.

IN AMERICA.

AND JUNETEENTH THIS YEAR, WHICH WILL BE OUR FIFTH ANNUAL JUNETEENTH, WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT FOUR FAMILIES, AND THEIR JOURNEY TO RONDO.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE EARLIER THIS YEAR TO GET THE NAME RONDO RESTORED TO CONCORDIA AVENUE.

SO THE NAME OF RONDO SO THE NAME OF RON RONDO JUST MEANS QUITE A BIT OF US.

>> Mary: IT'S RECLAIMING YOUR HISTORY?

>> YES, OUR HISTORY.

>> Cathy: SPEAKING OF HISTORY, WHEN YOU WERE A KID, THERE USED TO BE EMANCIPATION PICNICS BACK IN THE DAY.

THEY WERE IN HARRIET ISLAND IN ST. PAUL.

DID YOUR FAMILY EVER GO TO THOSE?

>> WE DIDN'T GO TO THOSE EMANCIPATION PICNICS.

BUT I DID.

MY FAMILY DIDN'T GO.

BUT I WOULD GO.

AND WE WOULD ENJOY OURSELVES.

BUT THE MEANING HAS TAKEN ON A NEW MEANING NOW BECAUSE IT'S JUNETEENTH.

AND WE'RE REALLY CELEBRATING THE DAY.

AND SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONVERGED FOR JUNETEENTH.

SO WE'RE PART F THAT NOW.

EMANCIPATION DAY IS ACTUALLY FOR 1863.

AND JUNETEENTH IS FOR WHEN THE SLAVES IN TEXAS WERE FINALLY TOLD TWO YEARS AFTER 1863 THAT THEY WERE FREE.

>> Cathy: AND WHAT'S IT LIKE TO HAVE THIS NOW?

IS IT OFFICIAL RECOGNIZED RECOGD HOLIDAY.

>> IT'S EXCELLENT.

IT JUST MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO PLAN SENATOR.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR INFORMATION IS CORRECT.

IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR ALL LEVELS OF EDUCATION.

FROM YOUTH TO ELDERS.

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT JUNETEENTH.

WHAT IT MEANS.

AND HOW WE CELEBRATE IT.

SO THERE ARE GUIDES, HOW TO CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY, HOW DO YOU GREET SOMEBODY ON JUNETEENTH?

>> Cathy: HOW DO YOU?

>> WELL, YOU SAY, HAPPY JUNETEENTH.

SAY, HAPPY JUNETEENTH TO ME.

I'LL SAY IT BACK TO YOU.

OR HAPPY FREEDOM DAY.

>> Cathy: OKAY.

>> PEOPLE CAN SAY.

BECAUSE FREEDOM IS REALLY THE EMPHASIS HERE.

BECAUSE IT TOOK TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY -- THEY WERE STILL WORKING.

I MEAN, NOT WORKING, THEY WERE STILL ENSLAVED.

>> Cathy: IN TEXAS.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THIS NOW WITH THE ROLLBACKS ON DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, NATIONALLY AND IN OTHER STATES, NOT SO MUCH IN MINNESOTA, BUT PLEASE PUT THAT IN CONTEXT FOR US.

>> [ SIGHS ] HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE?

>> Mary: ABOUT A MINUTE NOW.

YEAH.

>> THIS IS A CELEBRATION.

AND D.E.I.

AND ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT D.E.I.

IS A DISTRACTION FROM THAT.

WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT GOING ON.

NOT JUST AFTER JUNETEENTH, IN JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE'LL BE DEALING WITH D.E.I.

>> Mary: DOES IT MAKE HARDER TO CELEBRATE OR MORE IMPORTANT?

>> MORE IMPORTANT.

MAKES IT MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO CELEBRATE THIS IMPORTANT HISTORY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DENIGRATE IT NOW.

THEY'RE TRYING TO USE D.E.I.

AND ATTACK THINGS THAT SEEM TO HAVE A RELEVANCE TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

>> Cathy: NOW, GIVE US THE PARTICULARS OF JUNETEENTH, FREEDOM DAY.

>> WE'LL CELEBRATE IT AT 12:00 AT THE RONDO COMMEMORATIVE PLAZA.

THE RONDO AVENUE OU COMMEMORATIVE PLAZA IS THE ONLY PLAZA OF ITS TYPE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE'RE THE FIRST -- THE FIRST CITY TO -- THE FIRST STATE, WHERE A PLAZA HAS BEEN DEERE A PLAZA HAS BEEN DEDIE A PLAZA HAS BEEN DEDICAA PLAZA HAS BEEN DEDICATEPLAZA HAS BEEN DEDICATED AZA HAS BEEN DEDICATED TOA HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO FHAS BEEN DEDICATED TO FRES BEEN DEDICATED TO FREEWBEEN DEDICATED TO FREEWAYEN DEDICATED TO FREEWAYEN DEVASTATION.

SO OUR PLAZA IS THERE.

AND WE HAVE 26 PANELS.

AND EVERY OTHER YEAR, OR EVERY SECOND YEAR, WE CHANGE OUT FIVE OF THE PANELS AND THIS YEAR, THOSE PANELS WILL BE DEDICATED TO FOUR FAMILIES WHO HAVE JOURNEYED TO RONDO.

SO THOUSAND THEIR ISTORY.

IT'S THEIR HISTORY.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> HAPPY FREEDOM DAY, TO BOTH OF YOU.

♪ >> ADIA: THE TWIN CITIES JAZZ FESTIVAL STARTS NEXT WEEK, AND WE'VE GOT A LIVE PREVIEW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

THE FREE EVENT IS NOW IN ITS 27TH YEAR, BUT IT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY FROM ITS EARLY BEGINNINGS AS A SINGLE DAY, SINGLE VENUE EVENT.

THESE DAYS, YOU CAN FIND JAZZ FEST MUSIC ALL OVER THE METRO AREA.

YOU CAN EVEN CATCH SOME OF THE LIVE PERFORMANCES RIGHT HERE AT TWIN CITIES PBS IN DOWNTOWN ST. PAUL.

DAYNA MARTINEZ IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF TWIN CITIES JAZZ FEST.

SHE JOINS US NOW, ALONG WITH PERFORMERS LILA AMMONS AND DALE ALEXANDER.

SO EXCITED TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

SO, TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I HEAR THERE'S SOME NEW VENUES THIS YEAR.

>> YEAH, SO WE HAVE AROUND 20 VENUES.

ALL OVER THE CITIES.

FOR THE TWIN CITIES JAZZ FESTIVAL.

AND ONE IS -- THERE'S A NEW CLUB CALLED BERLIN IN MINNEAPOLIS.

WE HAVE -- THEY'RE PARTICIPATING AS A VENUE PARTNER.

AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE GREAT RIVER PASSAGE CONSERVE CONSERVANCY THIS YEAR FOR THE FIRST TIME.

THEY'RE PRODUCING AN OUTDOOR STAGE RIGHT ACROSS SHEPHERD ROAD FROM THE SCIENCE MUSEUM.

SO THAT'S SATURDAY AFTERNOON THEY'LL BE HAVING MUSIC OUT THERE.

>> AND I +SAFRP IN THE LINEUP THERE'S A BUNCH OF YOUNG PERFORMERS.

TELL ME ABOUT HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN JAZZ FEZ.

FEST.

>> WELL, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GOAL OF THE TWIN CITIES JAZZ FESTIVAL TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE YOUNG MAI EXPWUSH EVERYONES.

SO WE HAVE TWO YOUTH STAGES AT THE JAZZ FEST.

AT METRONOME BREWERY AND THEN ALSO AT A PLACE CALLED SAINT CITY HERE IN ST. PAUL.

AND WE ALSO START OUT THE SECOND DAY OF THE TWIN CITIES JAZZ FESTIVAL WITH ADVANCED STUDENTS FROM WALKER WEST MUSIC ACADEMY AND THEN ALSO MACPHAIL CENTER FOR MUSIC.

SO WE REALLY TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THEM FOR SURE.

>> AWESOME.

THANK YOU.

AND WE'RE HERE WITH LEILA, AND LEILA, YOU ARE PERFORMING ON THE 21ST RIGHT HERE AT TWIN CITIES PBS.

>> YES.

>> WELL, YOU'LL BE JOINED BY DALE, I'D IMAGINE AND WHAT ARE YOU SINGING FOR US THIS EVENING?

>> WE'RE GOING TO DO A REALLY FUN SONG BY GIG GREIS CALLED "SOCIAL CALL."

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET OLD.

"SOCIAL CALL," YES.

THANK YOU.

♪ ♪ >> ?OATD HAPPEN TO PASS YOUR DOORWAY ♪ ♪ I GAVE YOU A BUZZ, THAT'S ALL ♪ ♪ ATELY I THOUGHT QUITE ABOUT YA ♪ ♪ SO I THOUGHT I'D AY A SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ DO YOU RECALL THE OLD DAYS ♪ ♪ WE USED TO HAVE A BALL ♪ ♪ NOT THAT I'M LONESOME WITHOUT YA ♪ ♪ I JUST THOUGHT I'D PAY A SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ I LOVE AND SAY THINGS ARE JUST SWELL ♪ ♪ BUT TO TELL THE TRUTH ♪ ♪ I HAVEN'T BEEN SO WELL ♪ ♪ BUT IF YOU SHOULD TRY TO KISS ME ♪ ♪ I PROMISE THAT I WON'T STALL ♪ ♪ MAYBE WE'LL GET BACK TOGETHER ♪ ♪ SO IT WILL BE A SIMPLE SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ [ JAZZY PIANO MUSIC ] ♪ >> >> ♪ HAPPEN TO PASS YOUR DOORWAY ♪ ♪ GAVE YOU A BUZZ, THAT'S ALL ♪ ♪ LATELY I THOUGHT QUITE ABOUT YA ♪ ♪ SO I THOUGHT I'D PAY A SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ DO YOU RECALL THE OLD DAYS ♪ ♪ WE USED TO HAVE A BALL ♪ ♪ NOT THAT I'M LONESOME WITHOUT A ♪ ♪ I JUST THOUGHT I'D PAY A SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ I SAY, THINGS ARE SO SWELL ♪ ♪ BUT TO TELL THE TRUTH ♪ ♪ I HAVEN'T BEEN SO WELL ♪ ♪ AND IF YOU SHOULD TRY TO KISS ME ♪ ♪ I PROMISE THAT I WON'T STALL ♪ ♪ MAYBE WE'LL GET BACK TOGETHER ♪ ♪ STARTING WITH A ELEMENTAL SIMPLE SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ STARTING WITH A SENTIMENTAL ELEMENTAL SIMPLE SOCIAL CALL ♪ ♪ ♪ [ Applause ] ♪ >> TANE: I’VE DISCOVERED A NEW DEVICE.

IT MAKES IMPOSSIBLE THINGS HAPPEN.

IT’S CALLED THE PHONE!

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OR EVEN USED ONE OF THESE FOR TEXT MESSAGES OR POSTING BAD PHOTOS OF FOOD ONLINE.

BUT DID YOU KNOW IT CAN ALSO REACH PEOPLE?

TO TALK TO PEOPLE.

TO TRANSMIT YOUR VOICE TO OTHER PEOPLE?

FOR UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS, THIS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES THEM.

JUST TRY CALLING SOMEONE.

CHANCES ARE, THEY WON’T PICK UP.

OR IF THEY DO, THEY WILL DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO GET YOU TO STOP TALKING TO THEM ON THE PHONE.

JUST THE OTHER DAY, I CALLED A RESTAURANT FOR A RESERVATION.

>> WAITER: CHEF!

SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR A RESERVATION!

>> CHEF: WE ARE THE MOST POPULAR RESTAURANT IN THE CITY.

DID THEY NOT SEE ON OUR WEBSITE?

EVERY TABLE IS BOOKED FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS!

>> WAITER: HE’S NOT ON THE WEBSITE.

HE CALLED.

ON THE PHONE!

>> CHEF: MON DIEU!

TEXT THE MAYOR THAT HIS RESERVATION TONIGHT IS CANCELED!

GIVE THIS CALLER HIS TABLE AND GET HIM OFF THE PHONE!

>> TANE: IT WORKS WITH ALL MANNER OF SUBSCRIPTIONS TOO.

>> SALES: I WASN’T TRAINED FOR THIS.

WHAT IF I RENEWED YOUR SUBSCRIPTION FOR HALF PRICE?

A THIRD THE PRICE?

WHAT IF WE JUST RENEWED YOU FOR FREE, FOREVER?

PLEASE JUST HANG UP!

PLEASE!

>> TANE: IT’S EVEN SURPRISINGLY EFFECTIVE IN POLITICS.

>> SENATOR: THIS BILL WILL BE MY CULMINATION OF MY ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER!

BWAHAHAHA!

>> AIDE: SENATOR, WE’RE GETTING WORD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE AGAINST THE PROPOSAL.

>> SENATOR: WHAT’S THAT, POLLING?

WHO EVEN BELIEVES THAT ANYMORE?!

>> AIDE: NO, SENATOR.

THEY’RE PHONE CALLS.

FROM CONSTITUENTS.

TWO OF THEM!

>> SENATOR: KILL THE BILL!

>> TANE: SO THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT SOMETHING, OR YOU DON’T WANT SOMETHING, TRY PICKING UP A PHONE AND ACTUALLY CALLING A PERSON.

JUST REMEMBER TO SAY HELLO AT THE BEGINNING AND GOOD-BYE AT THE END, AND THE REST WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF!

♪ >> CATHY: MINNESOTA'S BIG NEWS THIS WEEK?

WE HAVE A NEW $66 BILLION BUDGET FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND WE DIDN'T GET IT WITHOUT COMPROMISES FROM BOTH PARTIES AND IN BOTH CHAMBERS DURING THE SPECIAL SESSION.

LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT PASSED AND WHAT DIDN'T WITH THIS WEEK'S POLITICAL PANEL.

REPUBLICANS THIS WEEK: ANDY BREHM IS A FORMER PRESS SECRETARY FOR U.S.

SENATOR NORM COLEMAN, NOW A LAWYER AND COLUMNIST FOR THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

PAT GAROFALO RETURNS TO THE COUCH.

HE'S A FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE MINNESOTA GROCERS ASSOCIATION.

ON THE D.F.L.

SIDE, WE WELCOME BACK FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER TURNED ATTORNEY ABOU AMARA.

AND WE'RE REVIVING OUR TRADITION OF INVITING SITTING LAWMAKERS ONTO OUR POLITICAL PANEL WITH D.F.L.

REPRESENTATIVE MARIA ISA PEREZ-VEGA.

WELCOME, PANELISTS.

REPRESENTATIVE, WELCOME TO THE COUCH.

>> THANK YOU, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE IN DISTRICT.

>> Cathy: SO AS MARY SHOWED THE REST OF US IN HER PIECE, YOU WERE RULED OUT OF ORDER IN THAT VERY EMOTIONAL DEBATE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR OVER IMMIGRANT HEALTHCARE.

AND I'M WONDERING, TWO D.F.L.

LEADERS VOTED FOR THAT, HORTMAN, AND MURPHY.

WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR THOSE TWO BECAUSE THEY TOOK THOSE VOTES?

>> YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE LEADERS OF OUR CAUCUS ON BOTH SIDES, BUT IT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY MADE.

AND IT'S BEEN PUBLIC THAT US AND ME SERVING AS VICE CHAIR OF OUR P.O.C.I.

CAUCUS, OUR PEOPLE OF COLOR AND INDIGENOUS CAUCUS, WE HAD NO IDEA OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS.

AND SO THE LEADERSHIP ROLES HAVE BEEN PLACED INTO A KIND OF A FROZEN STUNT FOR THEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT IN BOTH CHAMBERS, WHEN YOU LEAD, YOUR FLOCK, AND YOU'RE THE SHEPHERD, YOU HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THOSE THAT ARE MOVING, THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION, AND ESPECIALLY AS A LAWMAKER WHO WORKED VERY HARD FOR THAT LAW TO PASS, AND REPRESENT A STRONG PREDOMINANT COMMUNITY OF IMMIGRANTS, RIGHT?

WE TALK ABOUT HARRIET ISLANDS THE ELLIS ISLAND OF THE MIDWEST.

THESE ARE THE HISTORICAL CONTEXTS THAT I LIKE TO HAVE IN THE CONVERSATIONS FOR THOSE LEADERS TO BRING IT INTO NEGOTIATION.

>> Mary: OKAY, FORMER HOUSE LEADER, YOU'VE SEEN -- DO YOU FEEL OR SENSE THAT THERE MIGHT BE ONE IN EITHER OF THESE CAUCUSES?

>> FIRST OF ALL, MARY AND CATHY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

FORGOT TO SAY THAT LAST TIME.

THE REALITY IS THAT WHEN THERE'S REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SHARING POWER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMPROMISES.

AND SO MAJORITY LEADER MURPHY, SPEAKER HORTMAN, AND MINORITY LEADER JOHNSTON ON THE SENATE AND SPEAKER DEMUTH, THEY HAD TO COME TO ACOMB PROMISE WITH GOVERNOR WALZ.

THERE'S A COMEDIAN BILL MAHER, HE HAS A SEGMENT, I CAN'T PROVE PRKNOW IT,BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT'.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO AGREES WITH YOU OVER HERE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I SEPARATE IT BETWEEN PROCESS AND POLICY OR POLITICS.

I THINK THE REPRESENTATIVE IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITHIN THE CAUCUS.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I WASN'T IN THE CAUCUS.

I KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE FROM THE PAST.

ON THE MERITS, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO SAY, ARE WE WILLING TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THIS PROCESS?

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO GIVE ON SOMETHING.

>> Mary: WHAT ABOUT POLL NUMBERS?

IMMIGRATION IS A GOOD ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS?

>> IT'S A VERY GOOD ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICS ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

I MEAN, THERE'S SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES HERE AND WHERE AMERICANS AND MINNESOTANS ARE INCREDIBLY CONCERNED IS THE INFLUX OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS INTO THIS COUNTRY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, 8 MILLION SOME THAT CAME INTO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TOTALLY UNTENABLE.

SO VOTERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE OFFERING FREE HEALTHCARE TO NON-CITIZENS IS OUTRAGEOUS.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT, AND IT MAKES MINNESOTA A MAGNET FOR UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE.

BUT THE IDEA THAT -- I MEAN, AND IT GOES TO SHOW REALLY HOW RADICAL DEMOCRATS HAVE BECOME -- >> Mary: OKAY, LET'S GO INTERNATIONAL.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, NOTHING'S FREE, FIRST AND FOREMOST AND AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS FOUGHT MY ENTIRE LIFE TOMORROW ACCESSIBLE HEALTHCARE AS A TYPE ONE DIABETIC, LET'S COME TO THE TABLE HERE THAT IMMIGRANTS PAY TAXES AND DON'T GET ANYTHING IN RETURN, AND THIS YEAR, $222 MILLION, ESTIMATED.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LABOR OF YOUR FARMS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LABOR OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE SITTING IN RIGHT NOW, THAT AIN'T FREE, OKAY?

AND THEY'RE BEING PAID TAXES AND FOLKS ARE RYING TO BECOME CITIZENS.

IT'S NOT AS IF THEY ARE HERE NOT WANTING TO BE LEGAL.

>> WE ARE HERE TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS IN MINNESOTA BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR DECADES HAS FAILED ON THIS ISSUE.

SO YOU TALK ABOUT HEALTHCARE, HERE'S THE REALITY, UNDER FEDERAL LAW, WHEN A UNDOCUMENTED PERSON GOES INTO A HOSPITAL, THEY HAVE TO GET HEALTHCARE.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY AND THIS PROPOSAL IS IRRESPONSIBLE -- >> Mary: YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION MUCH -- [Overlapping conversations] >> I AM FURIOUS AT MY D.F.L.

-- MY FORMER DFL COLLEAGUES, RIGHT?

NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

I'M MAD BECAUSE THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN RAISING TWO TAXES THIS YEAR.

NUMBER ONE, THEY RAISED TAXES ON POT SMOKERS.

SECONDLY, THEY RAISED TAXES ON ELECTRIC VEHICLE OWNERS.

THEY RAISED TAXES ON ME, REPRESENTATIVE.

>> YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT RAISING TAXES, WE HAD A LITTLE CHAIT CHACHIT-CHAT BACK IN HERE, WHERE CAN WE FIX THE INFLATION?

WHO GETS THE NEEDLE ON THE CROSS?

WHO GETS THE PIN ON THE CROSS?

IT'S OUR COMMUNITIES.

IT'S OUR OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES, THE CONTINUANCE OF AN AMERICAN DREAM GETS TO BE DECIDED ON WHO GETS TO HAVE THAT AMERICAN DREAM?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS -- THIS IS REALLY UCH A COMMON SENSE ISSUE FOR MOST PEOPLE.

WE SUPPORT LEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THIS COUNTRY.

WHEN IT COMES TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THE INFLUX IS SIMPLY UNSUSTAINABLE AND THAT'S SOMETHING -- >> >> Mary: WHAT ABOUT TAXES, THROUGH?

>> THERE WERE SOME COMPROMISES THAT NEEDED TO BE HAD, BUT -- I MEAN, MINNESOTANS PAY PLENTY OF TAXES.

WE SHOULD BE CUTTING THEM.

>> ON ELECTRIC VEHICLE OWNERS AND POT SMOKERS.

WHAT WAS THE D.F.L.

DOING TO THEIR PROGRESSIVE BASE?

>> Cathy: CAN SOMEONE ASK -- IN SOME JURISDICTIONS, THE CANNABIS TAX IS GOING TO BE, LIKE, 25%.

>> YES.

>> IN SOME LOCATIONS.

>> AS ONE OF THE FEW -- >> Cathy: VERSUS THE LIQUOR TAX WHICH IS MUCH LOWER.

>> DID ANYBODY LIKE THAT?

>> I DEFINITELY AM NOT FOR RAISING TAXES FIRST AND FOREMOST.

>> SO THE -- I WAS ONE OF THE FEW REPUBLICANS THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZING MARIJUANA.

THE PRIMARY REASON FOR DOING THIS WAS TO REPLACE THE BLACK MARKET OUT THERE AND THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES.

IN THE CORE CITIES NOW, THESE ARE ON TOP OF THE REGULAR SALES TAXES.

SO IN THE CITY OF ST. PAUL, ABOUT 25%.

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE JUST MADE IT MORE PROFITABLE FOR THE BLACK MARKET TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE.

IT IS A WORD THAT I USE SPARINGLY.

IT'S TOTALLY STUPID.

>> WE CAN DEBATE.

MACHINE POINT IS THIS.

LOOK AT LIQUOR, WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF PROHIBITION, LIQUOR, IT WAS SOME OF THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE INDUSTRY.

TAXES WILL GO DOWN AS THE INDUSTRY GROWS.

[Overlapping conversations] >> I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL TAXES GO OWN.

I MEAN, HIGHER TAXES ON MARIJUANA SMOKING DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME.

I DIDN'T FAVOR LEGALIZING IT.

IT COMES WITH ENORMOUSOUS SOCIAL COSTS.

THE TAXPAYERS WILL BE PICKING UP.

I DON'T LIKE TO SEE ANY TAXES GOING UP -- >> N THIS OVERALL ISSUE, I RESPECT YOUR POSITION ON THAT, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ENTIRE ATIONALE FOR LEGALIZING THIS WAS TO -- THEY'RE ALREADY JACKING IT UP SO NOW -- LIQUOR HAS NEVER BEEN AT A 25% TAX RATE.

IT'S VERY FOOLISH.

>> Cathy: ASK YOU SOMETHING -- I'M GOING TO COMPLETELY SWITCH FOCUS HERE.

SO THE WORKING GROUP, THE EDUCATION WORKING GROUP DECIDED TO KIND OF KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL EDUCATION CUTS AND IT HAD THIS BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION SO IT GIVES THEM POLITICAL COVER.

WOULD THAT BE RIGHT?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A STRUGGLE.

THIS IS PART OF BEING IN A TIED HOUSE.

THIS IS PART OF BEING IN A ONE-PERSON MAJORITY.

THERE'S THESE CONTINUOUS NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT REALLY WENT INTO A MARGIN OF IF WE'RE GOING INTO A SPECIAL SESSION AND FOLK IS AS IN BOTH SIDES OF THE CAUCUSES, IN BOTH CHAMBERS ARE BEING LEFT OUT OF THE CONVERSATION.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A STEER OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE, TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ATTACKED.

WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IN OUR STATE, BUT IT'S UP TO US, WELL, ME, AS A LAWMAKER NOW, TO GO AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND SAY, WHAT'S GOING TO FIX THESE METAPHORICALLY POT HOLES GAPS IN OUR DUCATION SYSTEM.

>> YOU WEREN'T IN THE ROOM ALL THE TIME WERE YOU?

>> LWAYS, ALWAYS.

NO, NO, NO.

>> BUT WHY IS, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT THAT WE HAVE THIS FISCAL PROBLEM?

WHY IS THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS STRUCTURAL DEFICIT?

IT'S BECAUSE TWO YEARS, THE DEMOCRATS LOST THEIR FISCAL MIMOCRATS LOST THEIR FISCAL MINDCRATS LOST THEIR FISCAL MINDS ATS LOST THEIR FISCAL MINDS ANS LOST THEIR FISCAL MINDS AND LOST THEIR FISCAL MINDS AND RAST THEIR FISCAL MINDS AND RAIS THEIR FISCAL MINDS AND RAISEDHEIR FISCAL MINDS AND RAISED SIR FISCAL MINDS AND RAISED SPE FISCAL MINDS AND RAISED SPENDISCAL MINDS AND RAISED SPENDINCAL MINDS AND RAISED SPENDING L MINDS AND RAISED SPENDING BY MINDS AND RAISED SPENDING BY 38%.

>> Cathy: ABOU, YOU DISAGREE?

>> OF COURSE.

>> DID THEY RAISE SPENDING BY 38%?

>> THE LAST BUDGET WAS OVER 70 MILLION.

DO THE MATH, THIS ONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER?

WHY?

BECAUSE A LOT OF THE MONEY WAS ONE-TIME MONEY.

>> Mary: OKAY, FEDERAL CUTS, ANOTHER SPECIAL SESSION COMING?

WHEN?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN.

>> OH, I DO.

>> I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THE WAVES OF THE COMPASS ARE POINTING IN A YES NORTHERN WAY.

THAT SOMETHING'S ABOUT TO HIT.

AND I FEEL IT.

[Overlapping conversations] >> Mary: WALZ WILL CALL IT BECAUSE OF HIS NATIONAL PROFILE.

LOOK WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S FORCING US TO DO.

>> E MIGHT.

THE GOVERNOR LOVES NATIONAL ATTENTION.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

HE'S OBVIOUSLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

HE'S PROBABLY THE ONLY UY THAT THINKS HE CAN ACTUALLY WIN.

BUT BRING IT ON.

THE FEDERAL CUTS ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

OUR COUNTRY IS BANKRUPT AND I WELCOME IT.

>> LIKE AS SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS HE GROCERY INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE S.N.A.P.

PROGRAM.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST IT, THE CHANGES IN S.N.A.P.

DON'T START UNTIL FISCAL YEAR '28.

SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS ON THIS BIENNIUM.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE STUFF'S GOING TO BE IN THE TAILS.

>> HE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS CUTTING BILLIONS.

WE GOT TO ADJUST STUFF.

>> Cathy: NICELY DONE, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU.

>> WE WERE NICE.

>> Cathy: YOU WERE!

♪ >> CHRIS, WHAT ABOUT MR. DAUDT'S POINT, THOUGH, THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT BEEN EXACTLY LEADING THE BAND WAGON FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM.

>> WHAT MARK IS SAYING ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM IS NOTHING SHORT OF WHOLE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS -- >> NOW, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE THE I.R.

PARTY CHAIR.

YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT'S NOT THE MINNESOTA MODEL.

[Overlapping conversations] ♪ ♪ >> CATHY: ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE REACHED THE END OF OUR HOUR TOGETHER.

BUT WE CAN'T PART WITHOUT TOSSING YOU SOME TRIVIA.

FOR THIS WEEK’S MINNESOTA HISTORY QUESTION, WE TRAVEL NORTH TO DULUTH.

IT’S EARLY NOVEMBER OF 2003.

OVERLOOKING THE LAKE SUPERIOR HARBOR, NOT ONE, BUT TWO WORLD RECORD ATTEMPTS ARE SUCCESSFUL THAT FALL DAY.

A FIRST FOR THE ZENITH CITY OF THE UNSALTED SEAS.

THE RECORDS WERE SET BY A FATHER AND SON DUO AND INVOLVED HEAVY SOLID MATERIALS.

BOTH SUSTAINED MINOR CUTS AND BRUISES, DEEMING IT AN INTENSE AND SUCCESSFUL EVENT.

WHAT TWO WORLD RECORDS WERE SET BY A FATHER AND SON DUO IN DULUTH?

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