♪♪ >> ERIC: AS THE EARLY MORNING SHOOTINGS AT HOMES OF TWO LAWMAKERS HIT NEWS LAST SATURDAY, THE LARGEST MANHUNT EVER IN MINNESOTA WAS COMING TOGETHER QUICKLY AMONG THE CHAOS.

AND THE SAFETY OF OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS ACROSS THE STATE WAS TOP OF MIND.

IN THE DAYS SINCE, QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO PROTECT PEOPLE IN PUBLIC SERVICE HAVE ARISEN, INCLUDING GOVERNOR WALZ SAYING THAT ALLOWING GUNS IN THE STATE CAPITOL SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED.

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER BOB JACOBSON WAS PART OF THE COORDINATED FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

HERE, TOO, COLONEL CHRISTINA BOGOJEVIC, HEAD OF THE MINNESOTA STATE PATROL, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

THIS SEEMS LIKE SUCH A UNIQUE ONE-OFF.

HOW MUCH IS TRAINING AND HOW MUCH IS PREPARATION AND HOW MUCH IS JUST AD LIBBING AS THE TWISTS AND TURNS OCCUR?

>> WELL, IT'S A GREAT WE.

FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR HAVING US ON THE SHOW TONIGHT AND OUR CONDOLENCES TO BOTH OF YOU.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MELISSA HORTMAN ON YOUR SHOW SEVERAL TIMES SEVERAL TIMES AS YOU MENTIONED.

>> Eric: THANK YOU.

>> SO SORRY.

AN EVENT LIKE THIS CERTAINLY WAS UNANTICIPATED.

WE TRAIN ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO RE READY TO DO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND SEARCHES ALL THE IME.

AND WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

BUT A SCENARIO SUCH AS THIS WHERE SOMEONE WAS PLANNING TO NOT ONLY HARM AND ULTIMATELY KILL STATE EGISLATORS ON THE SAME IGHT, THROUGH A SERIES OF EVENTS, THIS JUST ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT.

WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK BACK AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY A UNIQUE SITUATION.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S CHILLING TO THINK THAT SOMEONE WENT TO THAT PLANNING TO THINK ABOUT KILLING AND HARMING LEGISLATORS AND IN THE WAY THAT THEY DID.

>> Cathy: LOTS OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS MANHUNT.

WOW.

SO MANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES INVOLVED.

43 HOURS.

WERE THERE MOMENTS WHERE Y'ALL SAT BACK AND THOUGHT, ALL RIGHT, WHERE IS THIS GUY?

I MEAN, ANY MOMENTS OF FRUSTRATION IN AMONGST ALL OF THIS THAT WAS GOING ON?

>> I WOULD SAY MANY MOMENTS OF FRUSTRATION.

BUT THAT S ONE THING THIS REALLY SHINED A LIGHT ON MINNESOTA LAW ENFORCEMENT IN A WHOLE.

THEY KEPT THEIR NOSE DOWN.

THEY KEPT LOOKING.

THEY KEPT WORKING TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH NEW PLANS AS NEW INFORMATION WOULD COME IN.

>> Cathy: AND WALK US THROUGH -- HAVE YOU BEEN EVER A PART OF SOMETHING THIS BIG IN YOUR CAREER?

>> NO, AS THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, THIS IS HORRIFIC.

HISTORICAL, LOOKING BACK, IT HASN'T HAPPENED.

SO I HAVE NOT BEEN AND I WOULD GUESS MANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE NOT BEEN.

AGAIN, IT JUST SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE WORK HAT WAS DONE IN THOSE 43 HOURS.

>> Cathy: A LOT OF LESSONS TO BE LEARNED.

WILL THERE BE ANY AFTER ACTION REPORT THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK AT TO TAKE SOME OF THE LESSONS YOU LEARNED AND I HOPE THERE'S NEVER SOMETHING LIKE THIS AGAIN, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S MAYBE SOME LEARNING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE LEARNING ALL THE TIME.

AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY WAIT FOR FORMAL AFTER ACTION REPORT.

WE ARE LEARNING FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED ALREADY.

THESE DIS INCIDENTS ARE FLUID AD WE'RE NEVER PERFECT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NEVER PERFECT.

BUT WE HAVE DONE REALLY WELL, I THINK, AS THE COLONEL HAD MENTIONED, TO BRING TOGETHER RESOURCES LIKE WE DID FROM MULTIPLE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE THEM.

SENATOR HOFFMAN WAS SHOT AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING.

ON A SATURDAY MORNING.

THAT BEGAN THIS INVESTIGATION.

I GOT THE FIRST CALL 2:33.

WE STARTED GETTING RESOURCES MOVING AND AVAILABLE.

AND TO -- 43 HOURS LATER, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ACTUALLY ARREST THE SUSPECT AND BRING HIM INTO CUSTODY I THINK WAS UST A MIRACLE.

AND THAT MIRACLE GOES TO THE TRAINING AND THE DEDICATION AND THE URGENCY OF GETTING THIS DONE SO THAT WE COULD PROTECT OTHERS IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND REALLY PROUD OF HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT CAME TOGETHER TO DO THAT WORK.

>> Eric: IS THE STATE CAPITOL SAFE?

>> YES.

>> Eric: ARE YOU -- HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY PRECAUTIONS -- I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL ABOUT THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY TOO MUCH.

BUT HAVE STEPS BEEN TAKEN SINCE SATURDAY AT THE CAPITOL?

>> IT HAS.

THE MINNESOTA STATE PATROL IS CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING AT THE SECURITY PLANS AT THE CAPITOL AND AFTER THE HORRIFIC EVENT, WE SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT WHAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY AND WHAT WE CAN DO LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.

>> Cathy: RAMSEY COUNTY SHERIFF BOB FLETCHER, I REMEMBER, HE SENT A LETTER TO LEADERS BACK IN JANUARY SAYING, I REALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE METAL DETECTORS, X-RAY MACHINES, YOU KNOW, BAG CHECKS AT THE CAPITOL.

MIGHT YOU AGREE WITH THE SHERIFF, AND MIGHT WE SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE?

>> WE DO SIT ON THE ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR CAPITOL SECURITY.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT AT THE CAPITOL.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.

>> Cathy: AND MONEY WAS I THINK APPROPRIATED THIS PAST SESSION FOR AN INCREASE IN CAPITOL SECURITY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

OR NOT?

[ Laughter ] >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR CAPITOL SECURITY.

THIS SESSION.

HOWEVER, IN THE PAST, THERE HAS BEEN.

TO INCREASE OUR STAFF.

>> Cathy: OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

APPRECIATE IT.

>> Eric: HOW MUCH WORSE COULD THIS HAVE BEEN?

>> CERTAINLY, NOT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE INVESTIGATION, BUT I THINK -- I THINK WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE IN A -- IN THE SENSE THAT MORE PEOPLE WERE NOT INJURED.

WE STILL GRIEVE AND, YOU KNOW, OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE HORTMAN FAMILY AND CERTAINLY TO THE HOFFMAN FAMILY.

THAT THEY WERE INJURED, AND MURDERED AND IN THIS INCIDENT.

BUT I THINK WITHOUT THE SWIFT RESPONSE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOW, ALSO I ADD THAT WITNESSES TO THIS, AS WE WERE MOVING IN AND DOING THE SEARCH FOR THE SUSPECT, ESPECIALLY IN SIBLEY COUNTY, WITNESSES WERE COMING FORWARD.

SO I WANT TO THANK THE MEDIA ALSO FOR HELPING S TO ET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, TO SHARE INFORMATION, TO SHARE THE PHOTO.

AND THAT REALLY LED, I THINK, TO US BEING BLE TO FIND THE SUSPECT, TO BRING HIM INTO CUSTODY.

AND THEN WITH THE OVERWHELMING FORCE THAT WE HAD FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHO ALL WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS, WHO ALL WANTED TO BRING HIM INTO CUSTODY, I THINK THAT HELPED LEAD TO REALLY A SAFE RESULT.

NO POLICE OFFICERS OR SHERIFFS DEPUTIES OR TROOPERS WERE INJURED AND WE BROUGHT THE SUSPECT INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT HIM BEING HARMED EITHER.

>> Cathy: HOW CONFOUNDING WAS IT AS A LONG-TIME LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO HAVE A GUY IMPERSONATE A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND DO THIS HEINOUS ACT?

>> I THINK EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THROUGHOUT THE STATE REALLY TOOK THAT PERSONALLY.

BECAUSE WE WORK REALLY HARD WITH THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE.

TO BUILD THAT TRUST.

AND HOW QUICKLY THAT CAN GO AWAY WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> Eric: OBVIOUSLY WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND REALLY GLAD YOU COULD COME