♪ ♪ >> Eric: FULL SUMMERTIME SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

MICHAEL OSTERHOLM BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE SURGE IN MEASLES IN THE U.S., WE'LL TALK TARIFFS, TAXES AND MORE WITH ECONOMIST LOUIS JOHNSTON.

AND MARY LAHAMMER BEEN TRACKING SAFETY AND SECURITY AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Cathy: INDEED, POLITICAL NEWS AT THE NATION'S CAPITAL IS WHERE WE START TONIGHT.

ANOTHER WEEK OF TARIFF WHIPLASH, COURT CASES, AND THE ONGOING FLASH FLOOD TRAGEDY IN TEXAS.

LARRY JACOBS IS HERE, HE HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU GAIN.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> >> Cathy: I'M THINKING THAT THE PRESIDENT SEEMS QUITE PLEASED THAT HE'S HAD A GOOD FEW WEEKS WITH THE BOMBING IN IRAN AND CEASEFIRE BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL AND THE BILLS MOVING THROUGH CONGRESS.

WHAT'S THE REPORT CARD FOR HIM?

>> GREAT, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE START FOR HIM.

AND BY THE WAY THE SUPREME COURT IS RULING FOR HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND I THINK THAT'S GOT TO PLEASE HIM TO NO END.

I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT RUN FOR DONALD TRUMP.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES IT LEAD TO AND POLITICALLY S THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIM?

AND I THINK THERE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, WILL THE ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, DECLINE, WILL IT IMPROVE?

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE LOCKED IN.

REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM MORE THAN EVEN THE LAST TIME AND THE DEMOCRATS DISLIKE HIM EVEN THAN BACK IN 2017.

BUT THE INDEPENDENTS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, FLEEING AND THE REASON IS KIND OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP RAN ON WHICH IS COST OF LIVING AND INFLATION, THEY DON'T TRUST HIS HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY, THE WAY HE'S HANDLED THE TARIFFS HAS SPOOKED THEM.

>> IMMIGRATION?

>> IMMIGRATION HE GETS GOOD POINTS FOR BUT IT'S JUST NOT A TOP ISSUE.

WHAT THE TOP ISSUE IS YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND EGGS ARE UP AND BUTTER'S UP AND YOU CAN'T PAY FOR YOUR KIDS' CHILDCARE, SO.

>> Eric: DEMOCRATS ARE OFFERING WHAT?

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE OFFERING WE'RE NOT DONALD TRUMP.

>> Eric: IS THAT ENOUGH IN I MEAN.

>> WELL, THAT'S OFTEN THE WAY IN WHICH PARTIES WILL GO TO VOTERS WHICH IS YOU NEED A CHANGE FROM THIS, IT'S TERRIBLE.

AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE BASICALLY REHABILITATING THEIR PLATFORM FROM 2017, WHICH IS TO ATTACK THE REPUBLICANS FOR CUTTING HEALTH CARE, CUTTING FOOD STAMPS, FOR HAVING THESE LOP-SIDED TAX CUTS FOR THE MOST AFFLUENT, FOR CORPORATIONS, YES, THERE'S TAX CUTS FOR OVERTIME AND TIPS, BUT IT'S STILL VERY MUCH LOP-SIDED TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE BETTER OFF.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE ELON MUSK'S THIRD PARTY MURMURINGS?

THAT'S A THING YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN.

>> Cathy: DEAN PHILLIPS SEEMS PRETTY INTERESTED, I THINK HE'S GOING TO TALK TO ELON MUSK.

AND TRADITIONALLY THIRD PARTIES HAVE NOT DONE VERY WELL.

IS THIS AN INFLECTION POINT WHERE IT COULD MAYBE OPEN THE DOOR FOR SOMETHING SUCCESSFUL?

>> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE SUCCESSFUL ART.

I THINK IT CERTAINLY CAN OPEN THE DOOR WITH ELON MUSK AND HIS INFINITE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THINGS.

CAN BE SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO BUILD A THIRD PARTY, IT'S JUST SO WIRED INTO OUR SYSTEM.

AND HERE'S ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.

AND YOU'RE -- YOU GET VOTES IN THE LEGISLATURE BASED ON HOW MANY VOTES YOU GET FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO LET'S TAKE GERMANY.

THE GREEN PARTY WON ABOUT 13% OF THE VOTE AND THEY GET ABOUT 12% OF THE SEATS.

IN PARLIAMENT.

IN THE U.S. WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF PROPORTIONAL SYSTEM AND IT'S REALLY BEEN A BIAS AGAINST THIRD PARTIES.

PLUS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, EVERY STATE HAS GOT ITS OWN SET OF RULES.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET, YOU KNOW, SIGNATURES, IT'S A HASSLE.

PLUS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

PEOPLE GROW UP, THEIR IDENTIFICATION WITH A PARTY, IT'S A DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL AFFILIATION AND SHAKING THAT EVEN THOUGH IF THEY TELL YOU THEY DON'T LIKE EITHER PARTY, IT'S REALLY HARD.

SO HE'S UP AGAINST IT BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT BOTH PARTIES EXCLUDE.

I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FERVENT, WELL FUNDED EFFORT TO SHAKE THINGS UP.

WE NEED THAT.

>> Eric: AMY KLOBUCHAR'S IN NEW HAMPSHIRE TOMORROW STUMPING FOR A DEMOCRATIC SENATE CANDIDATE, THE 2028 CAMPAIGN UNDERWAY FOR PRESIDENT, OR TOO EARLY?

>> NO, IT'S GOING HARD.

I THINK WE SAW OUR OWN GOVERNOR ALSO MAKING THE ROUNDS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

HE HAD SOME VERY COY COMMENTS WHEN HE WAS IN CALIFORNIA, CLEARLY AIMED AT GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND I THINK THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A REAL BATTLE BECAUSE IT'S WIDE OPEN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES AND I THINK WALZ WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM.

KLOBUCHAR IS CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD A GREAT RUN LAST TIME, SHE HAS EVERY REASON TO THINK OF HERSELF AS SOMEONE WHO CAN EMERGE AS A SERIOUS CANDIDATE.

>> Cathy: HERE'S A BRIGHT LIGHT.

CONGRATULATIONS AND HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO THE HUMPHREY FELLOWS PROGRAM.

>> OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Cathy: YEAH, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

>> IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

IT WAS STARTED BY WALTER MONDALE 35 YEARS AGO SO WE'RE HAVING A 35TH ANNIVERSARY ON WEDNESDAY.

EVERYONE'S INVITED.

AND THEN IT WAS DIRECTED BY VINN WEBER AND TIM PENNY.

SO YOU GOT REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT.

AND I'VE BEEN DIRECTING IT OR THE LAST 20 YEARS, LAST FIVE WITH SARAH BENSCOFFER WHO USED TO WORK AT THE CAPITOL.

AND IT'S GREAT, WE GET 35 FOLKS, PRETTY COMPETITIVE TO GET IN AND IT JUST REPRESENTS MINNESOTA.

>> Eric: NONPARTISAN?

BIPARTISAN?

>> NO, NO.

TRIPARTISAN.

WE'VE GOT REPUBLICANS, TOM EMMER HAS SENT A NUMBER OF HIS STAFF THROUGH THE PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT AMY KLOBUCHAR'S STAFFERS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM.

IN FACT AMY KLOBUCHAR GRADUATED FROM THE PROGRAM AS DID NORM COLEMAN OVER TIME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REALLY PROUD ABOUT IT IS HAS A LOT OF FOLKS FROM RURAL MINNESOTA, IT ALSO HAS THE GARDEN RESERVE.

IT REALLY REFLECTS MINNESOTA AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE COMMITTED TO IS WE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER IF WE DISAGREE, WE TEND TO SORT INTO, YOU KNOW, THESE ENCLAVES.

POLICY FELLOWS ARE BRINGING, DELIBERATELY BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

>> Eric: CIVILITY REIGNS.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GREAT PARTY.

THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

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