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>> Eric: COMING UP ON "ALMANAC" POLITICS NEAR AND FAR.

MICHAEL OSTERHOLM TALKS ABOUT THE RECORD RETURN OF MEASLES IN THE U.S. ADIA MORRIS HAS AN ESSAY.

MARY LAHAMMER CONTINUES TO TRACK SAFETY AND SECURITY ISSUES AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> FOLLOWING THE ASSASSINATION OF FORMER SPEAKER MELISSA HORTMAN THERE'S NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT CAPITOL SECURITY AND PROTECTION FOR LAWMAKERS EVEN IN THEIR HOMES.

>> I'VE JUST MADE THE DECISION THAT I'M NOT GOING TO DO PUBLIC EVENTS FOR A WHILE.

>> WHY ARE WE HIDING WHAT HAPPENED?

>> THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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♪ ♪ >> Eric: FULL SUMMERTIME SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

MICHAEL OSTERHOLM BACK TO TALK ABOUT THE SURGE IN MEASLES IN THE U.S., WE'LL TALK TARIFFS, TAXES AND MORE WITH ECONOMIST LOUIS JOHNSTON.

AND MARY LAHAMMER BEEN TRACKING SAFETY AND SECURITY AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Cathy: INDEED, POLITICAL NEWS AT THE NATION'S CAPITAL IS WHERE WE START TONIGHT.

ANOTHER WEEK OF TARIFF WHIPLASH, COURT CASES, AND THE ONGOING FLASH FLOOD TRAGEDY IN TEXAS.

LARRY JACOBS IS HERE, HE HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU GAIN.

>> GOOD TO BE HERE.

>> >> Cathy: I'M THINKING THAT THE PRESIDENT SEEMS QUITE PLEASED THAT HE'S HAD A GOOD FEW WEEKS WITH THE BOMBING IN IRAN AND CEASEFIRE BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL AND THE BILLS MOVING THROUGH CONGRESS.

WHAT'S THE REPORT CARD FOR HIM?

>> GREAT, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE START FOR HIM.

AND BY THE WAY THE SUPREME COURT IS RULING FOR HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND I THINK THAT'S GOT TO PLEASE HIM TO NO END.

I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT RUN FOR DONALD TRUMP.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES IT LEAD TO AND POLITICALLY S THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIM?

AND I THINK THERE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, WILL THE ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, DECLINE, WILL IT IMPROVE?

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE LOCKED IN.

REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM MORE THAN EVEN THE LAST TIME AND THE DEMOCRATS DISLIKE HIM EVEN THAN BACK IN 2017.

BUT THE INDEPENDENTS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, FLEEING AND THE REASON IS KIND OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP RAN ON WHICH IS COST OF LIVING AND INFLATION, THEY DON'T TRUST HIS HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY, THE WAY HE'S HANDLED THE TARIFFS HAS SPOOKED THEM.

>> IMMIGRATION?

>> IMMIGRATION HE GETS GOOD POINTS FOR BUT IT'S JUST NOT A TOP ISSUE.

WHAT THE TOP ISSUE IS YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND EGGS ARE UP AND BUTTER'S UP AND YOU CAN'T PAY FOR YOUR KIDS' CHILDCARE, SO.

>> Eric: DEMOCRATS ARE OFFERING WHAT?

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE OFFERING WE'RE NOT DONALD TRUMP.

>> Eric: IS THAT ENOUGH IN I MEAN.

>> WELL, THAT'S OFTEN THE WAY IN WHICH PARTIES WILL GO TO VOTERS WHICH IS YOU NEED A CHANGE FROM THIS, IT'S TERRIBLE.

AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE BASICALLY REHABILITATING THEIR PLATFORM FROM 2017, WHICH IS TO ATTACK THE REPUBLICANS FOR CUTTING HEALTH CARE, CUTTING FOOD STAMPS, FOR HAVING THESE LOP-SIDED TAX CUTS FOR THE MOST AFFLUENT, FOR CORPORATIONS, YES, THERE'S TAX CUTS FOR OVERTIME AND TIPS, BUT IT'S STILL VERY MUCH LOP-SIDED TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE BETTER OFF.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE ELON MUSK'S THIRD PARTY MURMURINGS?

THAT'S A THING YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN.

>> Cathy: DEAN PHILLIPS SEEMS PRETTY INTERESTED, I THINK HE'S GOING TO TALK TO ELON MUSK.

AND TRADITIONALLY THIRD PARTIES HAVE NOT DONE VERY WELL.

IS THIS AN INFLECTION POINT WHERE IT COULD MAYBE OPEN THE DOOR FOR SOMETHING SUCCESSFUL?

>> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE SUCCESSFUL ART.

I THINK IT CERTAINLY CAN OPEN THE DOOR WITH ELON MUSK AND HIS INFINITE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THINGS.

CAN BE SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO BUILD A THIRD PARTY, IT'S JUST SO WIRED INTO OUR SYSTEM.

AND HERE'S ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT.

AND YOU'RE -- YOU GET VOTES IN THE LEGISLATURE BASED ON HOW MANY VOTES YOU GET FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO LET'S TAKE GERMANY.

THE GREEN PARTY WON ABOUT 13% OF THE VOTE AND THEY GET ABOUT 12% OF THE SEATS.

IN PARLIAMENT.

IN THE U.S. WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF PROPORTIONAL SYSTEM AND IT'S REALLY BEEN A BIAS AGAINST THIRD PARTIES.

PLUS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, EVERY STATE HAS GOT ITS OWN SET OF RULES.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET, YOU KNOW, SIGNATURES, IT'S A HASSLE.

PLUS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

PEOPLE GROW UP, THEIR IDENTIFICATION WITH A PARTY, IT'S A DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL AFFILIATION AND SHAKING THAT EVEN THOUGH IF THEY TELL YOU THEY DON'T LIKE EITHER PARTY, IT'S REALLY HARD.

SO HE'S UP AGAINST IT BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT BOTH PARTIES EXCLUDE.

I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FERVENT, WELL FUNDED EFFORT TO SHAKE THINGS UP.

WE NEED THAT.

>> Eric: AMY KLOBUCHAR'S IN NEW HAMPSHIRE TOMORROW STUMPING FOR A DEMOCRATIC SENATE CANDIDATE, THE 2028 CAMPAIGN UNDERWAY FOR PRESIDENT, OR TOO EARLY?

>> NO, IT'S GOING HARD.

I THINK WE SAW OUR OWN GOVERNOR ALSO MAKING THE ROUNDS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

HE HAD SOME VERY COY COMMENTS WHEN HE WAS IN CALIFORNIA, CLEARLY AIMED AT GOVERNOR NEWSOM AND I THINK THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A REAL BATTLE BECAUSE IT'S WIDE OPEN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES AND I THINK WALZ WILL BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM.

KLOBUCHAR IS CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD A GREAT RUN LAST TIME, SHE HAS EVERY REASON TO THINK OF HERSELF AS SOMEONE WHO CAN EMERGE AS A SERIOUS CANDIDATE.

>> Cathy: HERE'S A BRIGHT LIGHT.

CONGRATULATIONS AND HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO THE HUMPHREY FELLOWS PROGRAM.

>> OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Cathy: YEAH, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

>> IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.

IT WAS STARTED BY WALTER MONDALE 35 YEARS AGO SO WE'RE HAVING A 35TH ANNIVERSARY ON WEDNESDAY.

EVERYONE'S INVITED.

AND THEN IT WAS DIRECTED BY VINN WEBER AND TIM PENNY.

SO YOU GOT REPUBLICAN, INDEPENDENT.

AND I'VE BEEN DIRECTING IT OR THE LAST 20 YEARS, LAST FIVE WITH SARAH BENSCOFFER WHO USED TO WORK AT THE CAPITOL.

AND IT'S GREAT, WE GET 35 FOLKS, PRETTY COMPETITIVE TO GET IN AND IT JUST REPRESENTS MINNESOTA.

>> Eric: NONPARTISAN?

BIPARTISAN?

>> NO, NO.

TRIPARTISAN.

WE'VE GOT REPUBLICANS, TOM EMMER HAS SENT A NUMBER OF HIS STAFF THROUGH THE PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT AMY KLOBUCHAR'S STAFFERS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM.

IN FACT AMY KLOBUCHAR GRADUATED FROM THE PROGRAM AS DID NORM COLEMAN OVER TIME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REALLY PROUD ABOUT IT IS HAS A LOT OF FOLKS FROM RURAL MINNESOTA, IT ALSO HAS THE GARDEN RESERVE.

IT REALLY REFLECTS MINNESOTA AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE COMMITTED TO IS WE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER IF WE DISAGREE, WE TEND TO SORT INTO, YOU KNOW, THESE ENCLAVES.

POLICY FELLOWS ARE BRINGING, DELIBERATELY BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

>> Eric: CIVILITY REIGNS.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GREAT PARTY.

THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

♪ >> IT WAS KIND OF LIKE OZZIE SMITH SAID, BASEBALL'S BEEN A GREAT PART OF MY LIFE, EVER SINCE I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD, I'M 35 YEARS OLD IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, AND I'VE PLAYED BASEBALL, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PART OF MY LIFE.

BUT NOW IT'S PART TO CLOSE THIS PART OF MY LIFE.

KIRBY PUCKETT'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME.

♪ >> Eric: MORE TARIFF WHIPLASH OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C., THIS WEEK.

A U.S. JOBS REPORT CAME OUT OVER THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY THAT WAS BETTER THAN EXPECTED.

CLOSER TO HOME, MINNESOTA CEOS RANG THE OPENING BELL ON WALL STREET THURSDAY MORNING AS MANY BIG COMPANIES HERE IN THE STATE ARE CALLING MORE WORKERS BACK TO THE OFFICE.

LOTS OF SUMMERTIME ECONOMIC FODDER FOR LOUIS JOHNSTON WHEN HE'S NOT HERE WITH US IN STUDIO B, JOHNSTON TEACHES ECONOMICS AT THE COLLEGE OF ST. BEN'S AND ST. JOHN'S UNIVERSITY.

SAY, IS JEROME POWELL GONNA RETIRE FROM THE CHAIR OF THE FED AND IF HE DOES, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT IF ANY?

>> HE WILL NOT RETIRE.

IF HE'S GOING TO BE, IF HE'S GOING TO LEAVE HE'S GOING TO BE PUSHED OUT.

HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE'S GOING TO SERVE TO THE END OF HIS TERM AS CHAIR AND IN FACT HE IS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS, EVEN IF HE'S NOT CHAIR, AND THAT EXTENDS PAST HIS TERM AS CHAIR.

, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?

KIND OF IN THE WEEDS?

>> HE COULD STAY ON THE BOARD FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.

>> Eric: IS THERE FIGHT OF WHAT TO DO OING FORWARD WITH INTEREST RATES WITHIN THE FED?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK THERE IS.

I THINK THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY CLEAR PICTURE THAT INFLATION IS A LITTLE BIT OVER 2%, THE ECONOMY IS RUNNING ALONG AT ABOUT THE LEVEL THAT YOU'D WANT IT TO.

AND SO ABOUT 4 AND A ALF TO 4% INTEREST RATES, THOSE ARE ABOUT RIGHT.

THEY THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

CLEARLY PRESIDENT TRUMP DISAGREES.

>> Cathy: SOMEBODY ASKED ME THE OTHER AY HOW IS THE STOCK MARKET?

MEMBER IT WAS ROYALING AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN QUIET?

WHERE ARE WE IN THIS?

>> WELL, A BIG PART OF IT WAS WITH THE LIBERATION DAY TARIFFS.

THAT SENT THE STOCK MARKET INTO A TIZZY, THEY WERE LIKE ARE THEY GOING UP, ARE THEY GOING DOWN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

AND WITH THE PAUSE THEY'VE BASICALLY HAD THREE MONTHS IT KIND OF SAY, ALL RIGHT, HE'S GONNA RAISE TARIFFS, THE ONLY QUESTION IS BY HOW MUCH.

IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A BIT, THOUGH.

TEN, 20, 30, IN SOME CASES 50% ON THIS NEW ONE ON COPPER.

WE'LL BUILD THAT INTO OUR FORECASTS.

WE DON'T LIKE IT BUT, OKAY, THERE IT IS.

SO HE UNCERTAINTY IN A SENSE HAS CLEARED A LITTLE BIT.

>> Eric: MINNESOTA BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP IS PROMOTING SOMETHING CALLED BUSINESS HEADQUARTER ECONOMY.

>> YES.

>> Eric: TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA MILES SHAVER HAS DONE A WONDERFUL BOOK CALLED "THE HEADQUARTERS ECONOMY."

ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE TWIN CITIES AND MINNESOTA MORE GENERALLY IS THAT WE HAVE AN ECOSYSTEM OF PEOPLE WHO CAN MOVE FROM ONE BUSINESS TO THE OTHER.

THEY HAVE SKILLS IN FINANCE, ACCOUNTING, TECHNOLOGY AREAS, YOU NAME IT, AND THEY CAN APPLY IT IN RETAIL, THEY CAN APPLY IT IN MEDICAL DEVICES, THEY CAN APPLY IT IN PACKAGED FOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND SO YOU CAN CREATE THESE HEADQUARTERS -- >> Eric: WE HAVE ABSENTEE OWNERS THAT LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> WELL, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

IS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE REALLY CENTERED IN MINNESOTA ARE THEY JUST HEADQUARTERED HERE WHERE THE PEOPLE AND THE REST OF THE BUSINESS IS OUTSIDE OF THE TWIN CITIES AND OUTSIDE OF MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: WHAT DOES THAT DO?

>> WELL, I THINK IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU THINK OF DAYTON'S WHEN IT USED TO BE OR TARGET WHEN IT USED TO BE DAYTON'S, THEIR PHILANTHROPY AND A LOT OF IT WAS FOCUSED ON THE TWIN CITIES AND ON MINNESOTA.

WELL, NOW TARGET DOESN'T DO THAT.

TARGET HAS PHILANTHROPY THAT'S BASED ON ALL OF ITS STORES ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES PRIMARILY.

SO WHETHER THE COMPANY IS FOCUSED ON OUR AREA OR JUST BASED HERE CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

>> Cathy: SAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE JOB REPORTS THAT CAME OUT.

WHAT DID YOU THINK OF IT?

>> I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT.

IT WAS 170,000 JOBS OVERALL AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS INTERESTING, THOUGH, WAS GOVERNMENT JOBS HAVE DROPPED.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS CONTINUING TO RISE.

THE QUESTION IS IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING DOWN.

IT'S HARD TO TELL A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT'S SUPPORTING THE PRIVATE ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, DATA GATHERING, STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S PART F WHERE THOSE JOBS THAT ARE GOING AWAY, IS THAT GONNA MAKE IT HARDER TO DO BUSINESS?

>> Eric: TARIFFS.

>> TARIFFS.

BAD THING, I WISH THEY WEREN'T THERE.

>> Eric: GETTING A UNCH OF INFLUX OF MONEY, RIGHT?

>> WELL, WE'RE GETTING MONEY FOR IT BUT IS IT WORTH IT?

WHAT I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT WE ARE EALLY HURTING OUR LONG-TERM PROSPECTS.

WE'RE MESSING UP OUR INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS IN PARTICULAR.

AND THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY BENEFITS US.

IT'S NOT A DRAIN ON S, IT'S A BENEFIT.

AND ESPECIALLY FOR MINNESOTA WHEN THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY DOES WELL AND MINNESOTA'S PART OF IT, E PROSPER.

PERIODS LIKE THE 1920s, 1930s INTO THE 1940s WHEN THE INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY WENT DOWN, MINNESOTA WENT BELOW AVERAGE.

SO I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

>> Eric: I HEAR THE BELL.

>> Cathy: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

♪ >> I WANT TO SHOW YOU A CHART THAT PROVES I'M IN TROUBLE.

IT'S AS BASIC AS A CHART CAN BE.

A SINGLE SLOPING LINE.

THE LABEL FOR THIS CHART IS "MEDICAL CONCERNS."

ON THE HORIZONTAL AXIS, WE HAVE HOW SERIOUS I CONSIDER A CONCERN TO BE.

AND ON THE VERTICAL AXIS, WE HAVE TRAGICALLY HOW LIKELY I AM TO GO TO THE DOCTOR.

I KNOW YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THIS IS.

IF I HAVE AN ITCHY EYELID, NO PROBLEM.

I'LL GO GET SOME DROPS.

BUT IF I HAVE AN ONGOING, THROBBING PAIN IN MY FOOT THAT A.I.

TELLS ME IS TPTC OR TERMINAL PINKY TOE CANCER, I SOMEHOW TALK MYSELF INTO THE NOPE REGION.

NOPE, NO DOCTOR FOR ME.

WHAT?

APPARENTLY I'M NOT THE ONLY MAN WHO BEHAVES THIS WAY AND ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS IT'S BECAUSE MEN DON'T LIKE BAD NEWS.

WHICH, EH, MAYBE?

BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A DEEPER CAUSE.

AND IT'S A SYCHOLOGICAL CONDITION I'M GOING TO CALL I.D.

OR IRRATIONAL DISTRUST.

YOU SEE, IF I'M BEING HONEST, I SHOULD REALLY RELABEL THE HORIZONTAL AXIS "HOW LIKELY I THINK IT REALLY IS THAT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONCERN I'M CONCERNED ABOUT."

AN ITCHY YELID?

I'M SURE THEY CAN CURE THAT SO I GO TO THE DOCTOR.

BUT TPTC, THERE'S NO WAY SCIENCE CAN TACKLE SOMETHING THAT AWFUL.

I'M ALREADY DOOMED, WHAT'S THE POINT, WHY TORTURE MYSELF?

AND THIS JUST ADDS A SECOND SCOOP OF RIDICULOUSNESS TO MY ENTIRE PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE MODERN MEDICINE CAN FIX HINGS.

I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I KNOW TEN PEOPLE PERSONALLY WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY TREATED THEIR CANCER.

AND THAT'S A MIRACLE.

IT ALSO MEANS THE DATA SUPPORTS HOPE.

THIS IS WHY MY SLOPE IS SUCH A MESS.

IT'S NOT A REPRESENTATION OF SCIENCE OR LOGIC OR STATISTICS.

IT'S A DEPICTION OF A UNIQUELY MALE FORM OF CHRONIC PESSIMISM, AND I MAY NOT BE A DOCTOR, BUT EVEN I KNOW THAT'S A PRESCRIPTION FOR TROUBLE.

ENGHH.

NOW, IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

♪ >> Cathy: THE CDC REPORTED EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT THE NUMBER OF MEASLES CASES IN THIS COUNTRY HAS HIT A 33-YEAR HIGH.

WE'RE SEEING THE MOST CASES REPORTED SINCE THE DISEASE WAS CONSIDERED ELIMINATED IN THE U.S. JUST ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO.

HERE WITH MORE, WORLD RENOWNED EPIDEMIOLOGIST AND THE HEAD OF THE U'S CENTER FOR INFECTIOUS DISEASE RESEARCH AND POLICY, DR. MIKE OSTERHOLM.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, WELCOME BACK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS RISE IN MEASLES CASES NOW FOR A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT'S THE MAIN DRIVER?

IS IT FOLKS OMING INTO THE COUNTRY FROM OTHER PLACES?

IS IT FOLKS WHO JUST DON'T WANT TO GET THE VACCINE?

IS IT A COMBO PLATTER IN A SENSE?

>> IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL.

FIRST OF ALL JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INDICATION WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE UNITED STATES WE'VE HAD ABOUT 1300 CASES THIS YEAR WHICH AS YOU NOTED IS THE HIGHEST NUMBER WE'VE SEEN IN 20-SOME YEARS.

BUT WHAT'S AMAZING ABOUT IT IS ABOUT A THIRD OF CASES ARE ACTUALLY IN YOUNG ADULTS.

AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS FOR THE PAST 25 TO 30 YEARS WE'VE SEEN EVER INCREASING NUMBERS OF PEOPLE NOT GETTING VACCINATED.

BUT WE HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE VACCINATED SO WE DIDN'T SEE IT SPREAD.

NOW THERE'S ALL THESE POCKETS OUT THERE OF UNVACCINATED INDIVIDUALS AND OF COURSE NOW THAT INCLUDES YOUNGER ADULTS WHO, WHICH IS A REAL PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO WHO THEY ARE HAVING THE BABIES RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE SEEING FOR EXAMPLE THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN CONGENITAL MEASLES WHERE MOTHERS INFECTED DURING PREGNANCY ARE TRANSMITTING THE VIRUS TO THE BABY.

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED.

>> Cathy: I'M THINKING PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I'M THINKING THEY'RE THINKING, YEAH, IT'S A CHILDHOOD DISEASE BUT THIS CAN BE VERY SERIOUS, YOU CAN DIE FROM THIS.

>> ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3% OF KIDS OFTEN END UP IN HOSPITALS AND HAVE VERY SERIOUS ILLNESSES.

IT'S A HIGHLY INFECTIOUS VIRUS.

WE KNOW IF ONE PERSON IS IN A ROOM THE SIZE OF EVEN THE STUDIO THEY CAN TRANSMIT TO THE WHOLE STUDIO.

IF THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN VACCINATED OR PREVIOUSLY INFECTED, SO IT'S A BIG DEAL.

I THINK REALLY CHALLENGING RIGHT NOW IS THE UNITED STATES HAS LED THE WAY IN POOLING ALL OF ITS RESOURCES FOR FUNDING VACCINES FOR CHILDREN IN LOW AND MIDDLE NCOME COUNTRIES AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE THOSE GO FROM KIND OF YOU MIGHT SAY MINOR ISSUES TO HUGE EXPLOSIVE OUTBREAKS, WHICH IS GOING TO SPREAD AROUND THE WORLD.

JUST COUNT ON IT GETTING WORSE AND I THINK THE FINAL POINT TO JUST EMPHASIZE WHERE WE'RE GOING, CANADA RIGHT NOW IS AT 3700 CASES FOR A COUNTRY OF ONLY 40 MILLION PEOPLE.

WE ARE 340 MILLION PEOPLE AND WE HAVE 1300, WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT CANADA'S HAVING MUCH MORE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AND IT'S JUST THE SAME THING, NOT GETTING VACCINATED.

>> Eric: FIVE CASES SO FAR IN MINNESOTA FROM WHAT I READ.

>> RIGHT.

>> Eric: ANTI-VAX PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT VITAMIN A, COD LIVER IL, THAT THE VACCINE IS AS DANGEROUS AS MEASLES.

IS THAT SEEPING INTO THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS?

>> I THINK A LOT OF THINGS ARE SEEPING INTO THE PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS.

LET ME JUST GIVE YOU N EXAMPLE OF WE'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN BEFORE BUT IT GIVES YOU THE MINDSET.

WE'RE HEARING NOW FROM VETERINARIANS AROUND THE STATE, FOR THAT MATTER AROUND THE COUNTRY, WHERE THEY THEIR CLIENTS DON'T WANT TO VACCINATE THEIR DOGS AND CATS FOR RABIES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY SHOULD GET IT OR NOT AND THEY'LL DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK.

AND SO PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE SO MUCH MIS AND DISINFORMATION ABOUT VACCINES AND THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR THIS PROTECTION AND ON TOP OF IT OF COURSE WE NOW HAVE A ADVISORY PRACTICES GROUP OUTSIDE OF THE CDC WHO Mr. KENNEDY HAS BASICALLY FIRED ALL THE REAL EXPERTS, BROUGHT IN ANTI-VACCINE PEOPLE LARGELY TO STAFF THIS AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG RISK FACTORS FOR COVID TODAY IS PREGNANT WOMEN.

WE HAVE CLEAR COMPELLING DATA, AND Mr. KENNEDY ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT RECOMMENDATION AND SAID NO LONGER ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE VACCINES FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST UNHEARD OF.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, MESSAGING, I WONDER TO COMBAT MIS- AND DISINFORMATION WHAT'S THE CURRENT THOUGHT ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT MESSAGE?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

AND TRAVEL ALL OF US, MEDICINE AND PUBLIC HEALTH HAS TO HAVE A DOSE OF HUMILITY RIGHT NOW AND SAY WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO MESSAGE THIS DIFFERENTLY.

YOU DON'T DO IT BY HAVING A DEBATE.

YOU DON'T DO IT BY BASICALLY BEING RIGHT EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DON'T GET VACCINATED.

AND YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY ARE YOU HERE, HOW DID YOU GET HERE, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE.

AND IN MANY CASES IT IS INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD HEARD FROM SOMEWHERE, FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAID, OH, NO, THIS IS DANGEROUS.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REPORTS COMING OUT I THINK OF THE, FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION SAYING THAT IN FACT AUTISM IS LINKED TO VACCINES.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REPORTS COMING OUT SAYING ALUMINUM IN VACCINES IS DANGEROUS WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE IN SOME OF THE VACCINES.

WHEN THEY HEAR THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SUSPICION TO SAY DO I WANT TO STICK THAT NEEDLE IN MY CHILD'S ARM OR NOT?

AND MAYBE I'LL WAIT.

AND WHEN YOU WAIT YOU BECOME ONE OF THE UNVACCINATED AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

>> Eric: YES OR NO QUESTION, FOLKS OUR AGE, DO WE HAVE CONTINUED IMMUNITY OR DO WE NEED TO DO SOME?

>> YES.

FORTUNATELY MEASLES S ONE OF THOSE INFECTIONS THAT GIVES YOU LONG GOOD DURABLE IMMUNITY.

>> Cathy: THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

>> YEAH, IT IS GOOD NEWS.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

♪ >> Eric: AN ICONIC SCULPTURE IN ST. PAUL HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF CONTROVERSY AND ADMIRATION FOR 90 YEARS.

PRODUCER ALAUNA YUST TAKES A LOOK AT ITS STORIED PAST AND A CONTEMPORARY ARTIST'S NEW WORK AT THE WEISMAN MUSEUM.

>> THE RAMSEY COUNTY COURTHOUSE IS HOME TO AN IMPOSING SCULPTURE.

VISION OF PEACE WAS CRAFTED BY CARL MILLIS.

>> THE VISION OF PEACE IS PROBABLY THE CENTERPIECE OF THIS BUILDING.

THERE'S NO OTHER STATUE LIKE IT IN THE WORLD.

>> IT IS 36 FEET TALL FROM THE BASE OF THE STATUE TO THE TOP OF HIS HEAD.

AND THE OTHER VERY UNIQUE THING ABOUT HIM IS THAT HE IS MOVING.

HE IS ON A MOTORIZED PEDESTAL, AND HE HAS MOVED SINCE 1936 WHEN THEY UNVEILED HIM.

SO WHEN THEY ASKED HIM TO DO THIS STATUE FOUR THIS AREA, HE SAID I WILL NOT DO A STATUE WITH REFERENCE TO WAR.

I WOULD RATHER DO A STATUE WITH REFERENCE TO PEACE.

>> MILLIS DESIGNED VISION OF PEACE AROUND A MEMORY OF A TRIP TO A RESERVATION IN OKLAHOMA.

HE SAW FIVE PEOPLE SHARING A PEACE PIPE.

OUT OF THE SMOKE RISING THE STEREOTYPICAL GOD OF PEACE.

DR. JANE BLOCKER TEACHES ART HISTORY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND ASKS HER STUDENTS TO CONSIDER WORKS OF ART FOR THEIR VISUAL PROPERTIES, HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE IN THE WORLD.

>> THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THINGS COME INTO BEING.

HOW DID THIS THING GET MADE, RIGHT.

I MEAN IT REALLY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SORT OF THE OLD BOYS' NETWORK.

THE ARCHITECTS SAID WE'VE GOT THIS HUGE AT RIUM, WE NEED TO FILL IT WITH ART.

WHOM DO WE KNOW WE CAN CALL AND THEY TRY TO CALL PAUL MANSHIP AND SAY YOU'RE A PROMINENT LOCAL SCULPTOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SOMETHING FOR US AND HE'S, NO, I'M BUSY, SCULPTING SOMETHING FOR ROCKEFELLER CENTER RIGHT NOW, DON'T HAVE TIME FOR YOU.

AND ONE OF THEM SAYS I SAW THIS SWEDISH SCULPTOR, LET'S CALL HIM UP.

AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE PROCESS OF VETTING OF THE SCULPTOR.

>> MILLIS PRIVATELY VOICED ADMIRATION OF FASCIST LEADERS LIKE HITLER AND MUSSOLINI RISING IN POWER IN THE '30s.

VISION OF PEACE HAS BEEN THE CENTER OF MANY CONTROVERSIES IN ITS TIME.

MANY WHITE MINNESOTANS WERE OUTRAGED IT FEATURED NATIVE AMERICANS IN A GOVERNMENT BUILDING.

TWO YEARS EARLIER CONGRESS ENACTED THE INDIAN REORGANIZATION ACT OF 1934 WHICH SOUGHT TO GIVE TRIBES MORE CONTROL THEIR LANDS AND GOVERNANCE AND WAS ITSELF CONTROVERSIAL FOR TRIBES AND THE BROADER PUBLIC.

TODAY VISION OF PEACE IS CONTROVERSIAL FOR ITS USE OF STEREOTYPE AND FANTASY.

>> THERE ARE A VARIETY OF IDEAS ABOUT HOW ART OF THE PAST THAT IS IN THE PRESENT MOMENT CONTROVERSIAL, HOW THAT ART SHOULD BE LOOKED AT OR DEALT WITH.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT SAY WE MUST KEEP IT AND PRESERVE IT EVEN IF ONLY AS EVIDENCE.

THERE ARE OTHERS WHO SAY, NO, WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE THEM THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO PAINFUL AND TRAUMATIC FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT, THEY SHOULD ALL BE TAKEN DOWN.

THERE ARE OTHER WHO'S SAY, WELL, THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN BUT THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN MUSEUMS LIKE THIS ONE.

>> AT THE WISEMAN ART MUSEUM CURATE CURATOR DR. KENDRA RECENTLY WORKED WITH PUEBLO ARTIST VIRGIL ON THORISTO, ANOTHER APPROACH TO NATIVE STORYTELLING, NATIVE FUTURISM.

ON THORIS BLENDS SCIENCE FICTION WITH HISTORICAL EVENTS LIKE THE PUEBLO REINVESTMENT OF 1880.

>> THESE ARE FUTURISTIC FIGURES AND HE MODELS THEM AFTER FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS.

SO I FAMILIAR WORK IS MADE IN THE ROQUE STYLE AND HIGHLIGHTING THIS CHARACTER TAHU WHO BECAME BLINDED BUT CONTINUED TO FIGHT IN THE PUEBLO REVOLT.

AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE FUTURE THAT INDIGENOUS WOMEN ARE GUIDING THEIR COMMUNITY TOWARDS AND LEADING THEM.

>> STORYTELLING AND MYTHOLOGY ARE CENTRAL TO ON THORIS' WORK BUT THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE TO DR. GREENDEER IS THE PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE CULTURE BEING REPRESENTED.

AND ALL OF THIS BEGS THE QUESTION, HAVE WE GOTTEN BETTER AT COMMISSIONING ART?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE GOTTEN MUCH BETTER AT IT.

BUT I THINK AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF RECOGNIZING WHAT IS APPROPRIATIVE AND RECOGNIZING THE IDENTITY THAT ARTISTS AVE AND OW THAT INFORMS THEIR PRACTICE.

WE IN THE CONTEMPORARY NATIVE ART FIELD ARE STILL TRYING TO REPAIR THAT RECOGNITION OF LIKE THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS WITHIN THAT SCOPE AND THAT WE ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF PLACE OR COME FROM VERY DIFFERENT PLACES, AND OUR VIEWPOINTS ARE STILL JUST AS IMPORTANT TO THAT STORY OF NATIVE ART.

♪ >> ONE SEC.

I JUST NEED TO ANSWER THIS TEXT MESSAGE THAT I GOT TWO WEEKS AGO FROM MY CHILD’S CLASSMATE’S MOM THAT I ONLY RESPONDED TO IN MY HEAD AND DIDN’T REALIZE THAT I’D ONLY RESPONDED IN MY HEAD UNTIL A WEEK LATER, SO I’M JUST NOW ANSWERING BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO IT AS SOON AS I REMEMBER OR I’LL GO, “OH, SHOOT!

GOTTA RESPOND TO THAT MESSAGE,” AND THEN I’LL GET DISTRACTED AND NOT DO IT AND THEN I’LL FEEL GUILTY AND ASSUME THAT THEY’RE UPSET WITH ME SO I PROCRASTINATE MORE AND THEN MORE MESSAGES COME IN FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REPLYING TO SLIPS FURTHER DOWN THE LIST AND BECAUSE I CAN’T SEE IT I FORGET ABOUT IT COMPLETELY UNTIL I, ONCE AGAIN, AT A TIME WHEN I CANNOT POSSIBLY ACT ON THE THOUGHT BECAUSE I’M LIKE, DRIVING, OR SOMETHING, SAY, “OH, SHOOT!

GOTTA TEXT THEM BACK,” AND THE CYCLE REPEATS AD NAUSEUM UNTIL FINALLY, WEEKS LATER, I TEXT A BREATHLESS, “I’M SO SORRY I DIDN’T REPLY SOONER!

IT’S BEEN SO BUSY,” BUT WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SAY IS “I KNOW IT’S FASHIONABLE RIGHT NOW TO SELF-DIAGNOSE WITH ADHD BUT I TOTALLY THINK I HAVE IT,” JUST SO I HAVE SOME PLAUSIBLE EXCUSE FOR THE WAY I AM, OR I WANT TO SAY, "MY PROCRASTINATION IS A COPING MECHANISM FOR THE OPPRESSIVE NEWS CYCLE THAT KEEPS VOMITING THE WORST PARTS OF HUMAN LIFE ON AN HOURLY BASIS, LAUGH/CRY EMOJI", BUT INSTEAD I JUST SAY, “IT’S BEEN SO BUSY!” AND, ULTIMATELY, IT’S FINE AND THEY UNDERSTAND AND THEY’RE NOT MAD, RENDERING ALL OF MY PROCRASTINATION AND HAND-WRINGING MOOT.

OH, SHOOT!

GOTTA FINISH RESPONDING TO THIS MESSAGE.

GOTTA GO!

♪ >> Cathy: A MINNEAPOLIS COMMUNITY PUBLIC SAFETY FORUM EARLIER THIS WEEK HIGHLIGHTED A STARK FIGURE: NATIVE WOMEN MAKE UP LESS THAN 1% OF MINNESOTA'S POPULATION, BUT BETWEEN 2010 AND 2019, 10% OF THE STATE'S MISSING WOMEN WERE NATIVE.

THAT NUMBER HAS MANY IN THE COMMUNITY CALLING FOR A STATE OF EMERGENCY.

AND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

RUTH BUFFALO WAS AT THE MEETING THAT INCLUDED PUBLIC SAFETY AND ELECTED OFFICIALS ALONG WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SHE IS THE CEO OF THE MINNESOTA INDIAN WOMEN'S RESOURCE ENTER.

WELCOME TO ALMANAC.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: SEEMS TO ME I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME.

>> RIGHT.

>> Cathy: AND I'M CURIOUS BUT IT'S GETTING MORE ATTENTION, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: BUT WHAT'S DRIVING THESE NUMBERS?

>> OH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

MANY OF US ARE EXHAUSTED AND IT BEGS TO CALL WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY DOES IT CONTINUE?

AND THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT CONTRIBUTING FACTORS BUT WE ARE REALLY PUSHING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND ACTION.

>> Cathy: DO YOU, IS IT -- JUST TO KIND OF PRESS ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M WONDERING, IS THIS PARTNER VIOLENCE THAT'S OCCURRING THAT THE WOMAN THEN DISAPPEARS?

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ARE THESE TRAFFICKED WOMEN?

I MEAN, WHAT DO OFFICIALS THINK IS GOING ON?

>> IT'S A NUMBER OF THINGS, A NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTING FACTORS.

THERE REALLY ISN'T ONE COOKIE CUTTER CASE.

YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE, GENDER BASED VIOLENCE, SEXUAL ASSAULT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND REALLY JUST A MATTER OF THE POWERS THAT BE REALLY BELIEVING SURVIVORS AND BELIEVING VICTIMS AND THEIR STORIES, O BE MORE PROACTIVE AND PREVENTATIVE.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS.

OFTENTIMES WE SEE YOUNG INDIVIDUALS GET TRICKED INTO THINKING THEY'RE GOING INTO A RELATIONSHIP AND THEN IT TURNS INTO SOMETHING ELSE OR BIG PLANS TO GO TO A BIG URBAN CITY WITH MORE OPPORTUNITY AND THEN THEY'RE LEFT HERE IN ACTIVE ADDICTION WHILE A PARTNER IS IN PRISON SERVING TIME.

I MEAN, THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT STORIES THAT ARE REALLY HEART BREAKING, AND WE REALLY NEED ACTION AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> Eric: THE FBI IS COMMITTING SOME RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATING.

IS THAT A GOOD STEP, OR PEOPLE A LITTLE MISTRUSTFUL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OR HOW DOES THAT BREAK DOWN?

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD STEP FORWARD.

THERE IS A HUGE GAP HISTORICALLY IN AND AROUND TRIBAL COMMUNITIES FOR ENFORCING AND PROSECUTION OF VIOLENT CRIMES.

SO IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT WE WANT TO SEE FOLLOW-THROUGH, JUSTICE, AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SURE.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES YOUR GROUP DO AS FAR AS -- FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO IT AS CREATED.

>> THE METRO URBAN INDIAN DIRECTORS COUNCIL IS FORMED I BELIEVE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO OR SO, BUT UNDERNEATH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE LATE MARLENE HELGAMO.

BUT, YES, IT'S COMPROMISED OF ALL OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS OF NATIVE ORGS IN THE METRO AREA HERE.

AND SO WE RECENTLY CALLED A MEETING, A PUBLIC SAFETY CONVENING, AND THIS WAS LED BY OUR NATIVE WOMEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS.

AND SO WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO DRIVE HOME THE NEED AND THE SENSE OF URGENCY FOR IMMEDIATE ACTION NOW TO PREVENT FURTHER LIVES FROM BEING LOST.

>> Cathy: AND IS THE COMMUNITY GETTING THAT MESSAGE AS WELL?

WHEN SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, DO THEY FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING LISTENED TO BY OFFICIALS?

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

AND THAT'S THE THING, IT'S LIKE WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, GO ABOUT OUR DAY LIKE THE NEXT PERSON, BUT OFTENTIMES WE FIND OURSELVES HAVING TO SPEAK UP AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES AND HAVE THOSE HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH AT STAKE, YOU KNOW, OUR CHILDREN, WE WANT OUR CHILDREN TO GROW UP IN A SAFE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S BEEN SO MANY ISSUES IN AND AROUND LITTLE EARTH WHERE YOUNG 8-YEAR-OLD BOYS ARE BEING APPROACHED AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE COERCED, PROPOSITIONED INTO SEXUAL ACTIVITY.

THERE'S JUST A THEME OF LAWLESSNESS IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS AROUND LITTLE EARTH, CEDAR, MINNEAPOLIS.

MINNESOTA INDIAN WOMEN'S RESOURCE CENTER, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT WE SEE 24/7 THAT JUST EEMS TO GO UNCHECKED.

>> Eric: AND TAKEAWAYS FROM THE MEETING THAT YOU HAD?

>> THE >> TAKEAWAYS ARE THERE WAS A LOT OF TALKING BUT WE WANT MORE ACTION AND LESS TALKING, WE WANT FOLLOW-THROUGH.

AND SO AGAIN WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO SORT OF STICK OUR NECKS OUT AND BE UNCOMFORTABLE TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS THAT ACTION IS NOW, IT'S LONG OVERDUE.

AND SO WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME GOOD MEASURABLE OUTCOMES BUT WE WANT THE NARRATIVE ALSO TO BE CORRECTED.

YOU KNOW, IN BROADER MAINSTREAM NEWS IS THAT THE COMMUNITY DOES COME TOGETHER IN TIMES OF NEED AND SEES THE SENSE OF URGENCY FOR ACTION NOW.

AND SO WE WANT ANSWERS AND WE WANT A GOOD PLAN IN PLACE, PLAN OF ACTION FROM THE POWERS THAT BE.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT, WE'LL BE WATCHING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> Eric: THANKS FOR COMING OVER.

>> YEAH.

THANK YOU.

♪ >> Eric: MOMENTUM BUT NO REAL ACTION YET ON INCREASING CAPITOL SECURITY IN THE WAKE OF A HORRIFIC POLITICAL ASSASSINATION.

REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN EXPLORING THE ISSUE OF THE SAFETY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR YEARS AND SHOWS US HOW AT LEAST ONE LAWMAKER IS NO LONGER DOING PUBLIC EVENTS OUT OF CONCERN FOR HER SAFETY.

>> AS THE MEMORIAL FOR REPRESENTATIVE HORTMAN CONTINUES TO GROW INSIDE THE STATE CAPITOL, SO TOO ARE THE CONCERNS OF LAWMAKERS FOR THEIR PERSONAL SAFETY.

>> I FEEL LIKE MY JOB HAS CHANGED QUITE A LOT.

MY HUSBAND'S A SENATOR, HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE 11 YEARS BE I'VE BEEN HERE 13 YEARS SO I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS PLACE LONG TIME.

I HAVE ALWAYS FELT CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S SO OPEN AND SO PUBLIC AND IT HAS TO BE.

BUT STILL VERY AWARE OF MY SURROUNDINGS AND EVEN MORE SO NOW AT MY HOME.

>> LEGISLATORS HAVE BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO FUNDS FOR SOME INCREASES FOR SECURITY AT THEIR HOMES SINCE THE SHOOTINGS, BUT THEY ARE STILL SERIOUSLY CHANGING HOW THEY SERVE.

>> THIS WAS A REALLY HARD DECISION FOR ME BUT BECAUSE OF ALSO THE THREAT THAT CAME FROM THE LOBBYIST WHO I'D WORKED WITH FOR TEN YEARS, IT BECAME INCREDIBLY PERSONAL FOR YSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO ALSO IS IN THAT REALM.

I MADE THE DECISION THAT I'M NOT DOING ANY PUBLIC EVENTS THAT ARE EXPECTED, THAT LAWMAKERS WILL BE THERE UNTIL THINGS REALLY COOL DOWN.

>> CALLS FOR INCREASED SECURITY AT THE CAPITOL ARE ALSO GAINING ATTENTION.

>> WELL, THE PUBLIC HERE IS ASKED TO GO THROUGH THE METAL DETECTION, HAVE THEIR BAGS X-RAYED JUST LIKE AT AN AIRPORT.

>> >> HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN HERE?

>> OVER 20 YEARS, AFTER 9/11 WE TOOK STEPS, WE WERE THE FIRST COURTHOUSE TO HAVE METAL DETECTION AND SECURITY.

>> SIX MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE WORST ACT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN STATE HISTORY, THE SHERIFF STOOD INSIDE THE CAPITOL WITH US CALLING FOR CTION AND METAL DETECTORS.

>> WELL, I'M HOPING THAT MOST LEGISLATORS AGREE THAT THE TIME HAS COME.

YOU HAVE SOMEWHAT COMPETING VISIONS OF WHAT ACCESS IS BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT ARGUMENT BOUT FREE ACCESS, THE PUBLIC WOULD RATHER KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN A SAFE SPACE.

>> WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ON THE LEFT AND WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ON THE RIGHT ON GETTING THIS DONE?

>> WELL, I TRIED TO ALLUDE THAT IN MY LETTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISAGREEMENTS OVER PERMITS TO CARRY AND THEN ON THE OTHER END WE'LL HAVE DISAGREEMENTS OVER CREATING A LAW AND ORDER IMAGE OF OUR CAPITOL.

SO REALLY THE MIDDLE GROUND RIGHT NOW IS THE LARGE BAGS, THE ARGE BAGS FOR ME ARE THE MOST TROUBLING BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT NOW ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BRING LARGE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS IN THEIR DUFFEL BAGS.

THEY CAN WALK RIGHT INTO ANY ENTRANCE AND EASILY TAKE OUT A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

>> THIS SESSION WE REVEALED MORE LAWMAKERS WERE VISIBLY CARRYING WEAPONS IN THE CAPITOL AND EVEN MORE ARE ARMING THEMSELVES SINCE THE SHOOTINGS.

>> SO I WAS JUST ABLE TO KIND OF GRAB HIM, KIND OF COAX HIM OUT THE DOOR.

>> ALMOST A DECADE AGO, 75-YEAR-OLD SENATOR SENJEM STOPPED AN INTRUDER ON THE SENATE FLOOR WHO GOT PAST SECURITY.

>> GOD BLESS DAVE, HE'S ONE OF MY HEROES BUT IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN THAT WAY, RIGHT?

>> A BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL GROUP OF LAWMAKERS SERVING ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON CAPITOL AREA SECURITY SAY THEY'RE OMMITTED TO WORKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR COLLEAGUES HERE IN THE LEGISLATURE, BUT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, THEY CONTINUE TO REFRAIN FROM MAKING ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TOPIC OF CAPITOL SECURITY.

>> AS SOON AS MY SHERIFF KNEW WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND THAT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR HIM TO ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION PROPERLY OUT THEN I HAD A DEPUTY AND I THINK I SAW HIM, IT FELT LIKE ANYWAY, EVERY TEN MINUTES FRONT, EVERY TEN MINUTES BACK.

>> THE ORGANIZED NOTIFICATION OF LAWMAKERS IS ANOTHER ISSUE THE SHERIFF IS HIGHLIGHTING.

>> IT WAS A TRAGIC, HORRIFIC EVENT IN GENERAL BUT THAT SHOULDN'T PREVENT US FROM SAYING, HEY, HOW COULD WE BE BETTER?

AND THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, BOTH OF THE LEGISLATORS THAT WERE ON THE TARGET LIST AND LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING THOSE LEGISLATORS WAS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.

I MEAN, I DIDN'T CALL A CALL 'TIL QUARTER TO 7:00, KEEP IN MIND HE HOFFMANS' SHOOTING WAS AT 2:00, MELISSA'S MURDER AT 3:30.

AND 6:45 IS WHEN I'M NOTIFIED THAT SOMETHING'S GONE ON.

>> THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY WE ACQUIRED TELETYPE BELLETINS THAT WENT OUT AT 4:25 AND 4:40:00 A.M. ABOUT THE SHOOTINGS AT A SENATOR'S AND REPRESENTATIVE'S HOUSE.

ADVISING AGENCIES TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE RESIDENCES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR SOMEONE IMPERSONATING AN OFFICER.

>> WHY ARE WE HIDING WHAT HAPPENED?

YOU TALK TO LEGISLATORS, NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE WAS A DESIRE TO KEEP THINGS SECRET.

THERE WAS NO NEED TO KEEP THINGS SECRET.

>> COMMON CAUSE SAYS THE PUBLIC MUST BE INVOLVED IN CHANGES TO CAPITOL SECURITY AND ALLEGES CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING IN PRIVATE.

>> PARTISANSHIP HAS BEEN GROWING AND I THINK THE EXTREMES ON BOTH SIDES HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXTREME.

AND SO I'VE JUST MADE THE DECISION THAT I'M NOT GOING TO DO PUBLIC EVENTS FOR A WHILE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE RARICK HAS RETURNED TO PAINTING WHILE PRAYING FOR THE HORTMAN CHILDREN WHO ARE THE SAME AGE AS HER KIDS.

>> I FELT REALLY COMPELLED THAT I WAS GOING TO DO A PIECE FOR THE HORTMAN CHILDREN AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND I'M GOING TO DO THIS PIECE FOR THEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG, BUT I'LL PUT THE PRAYER ON THE BACK AND SEND IT TO THEM.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON MY HEART FOR A WHILE.

♪ >> Eric: ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON GOVERNOR WALZ CALLED A SEPTEMBER SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE SEAT FILLED BY SPEAKER MELISSA HORTMAN WHO OF COURSE WAS ASSASSINATED LAST MONTH.

MID-JULY VERSION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL.

ANNETTE MEEKS, FORMER CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER TO SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH NOW HEADS UP THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION OF MINNESOTA.

BRIAN MCCLUNG IS A FORMER GOVERNOR PAWLENTY SPOKESPERSON AND LONGTIME CAPITOL OBSERVER.

DEMOCRATS WITH US TONIGHT, ABOU AMARA IS A FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER NOW ATTORNEY AND A DFL LOYALIST.

ROUNDING OUT THE GROUP TONIGHT, ALYSEN NESSE, PARTY LOYALIST AND LOBBYIST.

BRIAN, HOW LONG IS THIS CAPITOL SECURITY DEBATE BEEN GOING ON?

DOES IT GO BACK TO YOUR ADMINISTRATION?

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, WHEN I WORKED FOR GOVERNOR PAWLENTY I REMEMBER OUR STAFF GOING THROUGH ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND IT WAS TERRIFYING.

AND PART OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS FRANKLY THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO CAUSE THAT KIND OF HARM IN THE CAPITOL.

AND SO ABSOLUTELY WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I WROTE A PIECE IN MY NEWSLETTER IN 2011 AFTER LEAVING THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE ADVOCATING FOR METAL DETECTORS IN THE CAPITOL BACK IN 2011.

IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU GO TO, I WENT TO A MINNESOTA TWINS GAME THIS WEEK, YOU GO THROUGH A METAL DETECTOR, RIGHT?

SO WE'RE SAFER, MORE PROTECTED SOMEWHERE LIKE TARGET FIELD THAN WE ARE AT THE STATE CAPITOL?

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT AND STILL PROTECT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THIS.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S BEEN THE STICKING POINT?

MONEY?

HAS T BEEN THE FEAR ABOUT PUBLIC ACCESS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY?

THE ARGUMENT?

>> YEAH, WHEN I WORKED FOR SPEAKER THEISEN, IT WAS THAT BILL BALANCE, THE CONCERN THAT THE MORE YOU HARDEN THE CAPITOL THE LESS ACCESSIBLE IT IS.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER AGENCIES, FOR EXAMPLE THE JUDICIAL BRANCH YOU WALK THROUGH METAL DETECTORS SO I THINK THIS IS NOT AN UNPRECEDENTED THING, I THINK WE'LL SEE SOME SLIGHT MOVEMENT, QUESTION IS ARE WE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO HARDEN THE CAPITOL?

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THOUGH PEOPLE FEEL A SENSE OF SAFETY AFTER THE TRAUMA EVERYONE HAS BEEN THROUGH UP AT THE CAPITOL.

I MEAN, THIS IS AS SOMEBODY SAID TO ME FROM WASHINGTON, MINNESOTA'S BETTER THAN THIS AND WE ARE.

AND WE WILL RISE UP FROM THIS BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE SHOULD DO SOME COMMONSENSE THINGS WHEN THEY REMODELED THE CAPITOL, THEY BUILT IT SO IT COULD BE ACCESSIBLE FOR AGNETOMETERS AND OTHER THINGS, IT'S TIME TO DO IT.

>> Eric: ALYSSEN, TELL US ABOUT THE TIMING OF SPECIAL ELECTION IN SEPTEMBER.

>> WELL, IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY AS YOU SAID SEPTEMBER 16TH.

IT IS TIMELY BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES GIVE ENOUGH DISTANCE FROM HER ASSASSINATION.

BUT IT ALSO IS IN TIME FOR POTENTIAL SPECIAL SESSION IN OCTOBER IN RESPONSE TO A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL T THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, SO.

>> Cathy: ONE PERSON ALREADY IN THE POOL IN TERMS TO RUN, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S ALREADY STEPPED OUT AND STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN AND YOU'D IMAGINE THERE WILL BE A HANDFUL OF OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BRING IT UP NOW BUT WILL THERE BE A FIGHT FOR HOUSE LEADERSHIP, ABOU?

>> I WOULDN'T SAY A FIGHT, REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A VACUUM, SO I IMAGINE THE POCI CAUCUS IS GOING TO EXERCISE SOME DOMINION IF YOU WILL IN SAYING WE HAVE BEEN A CRITICAL LEVEL OF THE CAUCUS, WE THINK WE SHOULD BE REPRESENTED, IF NOT AT THE MAJORITY LEADER LEVEL, AT THE SPEAKER LEVEL.

>> Eric: WALZ ADMINISTRATION BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THERE WAS THE $340,000 FOR PREPPING?

>> HE'S NOT HAD A GOOD YEAR.

WHEN HE'S COME BACK FROM RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT THINGS HAVEN'T GONE WELL FOR HIM.

THE PUBLIC RELATIONS DISASTER THAT HE PAID OR THIS LAW FIRM TO WRITE OUT STUFF -- >> Eric: LOT OF OTHER MAYORS AND GOVERNORS HAVE PAID SIMILAR.

>> ABSOLUTELY, BUT GOVERNOR PRITZKER PAID OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET AND AT THE VERY LEAST GOVERNOR WALZ SHOULD PAY IT OUT OF HIS OWN MONEY.

>> WELL, J.B. PRITZKER IS A BILLIONAIRE BUT I THINK THE POINT REMAINS, STICKER SHOCK.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AS A LAWYER WHO OFTEN BILLS CLIENTS, SOMETIMES IT GETS SENT BACK TO YOU AND YOU HAVE GOT TO SHAVE OFF STUFF SO I EXPECT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN HERE.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE STAR TRIBUNE INTERVIEW BOTH OF YOU?

THE GOVERNOR SAID IF I RUN, I WIN.

>> I THINK THAT'S PRETTY PREMATURE.

WE HAVE NOT HAD A GOVERNOR GET ELECTED TO A THIRD FOUR-YEAR TERM IN MINNESOTA.

THE LAST WHO TRIED WAS RUDY PERPICH IN 1990, LOST TO ARNE CARLSON WHO WAS ONLY RUNNING FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AFTER GRUNSETH GOT OUT OF THE RACE.

THERE IS A LOT OF INCUMBENT FATIGUE THAT HAPPENS IN MINNESOTA.

WE DON'T HAVE TERM LILT LIMITS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T NEEDED THEM.

THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID WHEN YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME IN AN OFFICE.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING THAT'S OUT THERE, TWO-THIRDS OF VOTERS IN GREATER MINNESOTA WANT SOMEBODY ELSE AND EVEN IN THE EXURBS AND COMING INTO THE SUBURBS IT'S LOOKING TOUGHER FOR GOVERNOR WALZ IN A THIRD TERM REELECTION CAMPAIGN.

>> GOVERNOR WALZ IN A THIRD TERM BECAUSE A THIRD TERM IS HARD BUT THE NUMBERS IN THE EVIDENT METRO AND URBAN CORE ARE STILL REALLY WRONG AND QUITE FRANKLY I WAS SURPRISED HOW STRONG THEY WERE.

AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD SIGN FOR GOVERNOR WALZ.

>> BUT THE SCARY THING FOR GOVERNOR WALZ SHOULD BE THAT THE OTHER 85 COUNTIES VOTE AND VOTE IN PRETTY BIG NUMBERS.

AND I THINK HE SHOULD BE VERY CONCERNED.

YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE WHEN HE SAID THAT IF I RUN AGAIN I'LL WIN, IT'S LIKE IT'S GOOD TO BE KING IS WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED IT UP WITH, WHO TALKS LIKE THAT?

THERE'S A CONTEST, IT'S AN ELECTION, HE SHOULD BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE HUMBLY.

>> DON'T COMPARE HIM TO THE ALMIGHTY, COMPARE HIM TO THE ALTERNATIVE.

THE FACT IS REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WIN STATEWIDE SINCE 2006.

20 YEARS HERE SO YOU MAY QUIBBLE WITH SOME THINGS GOVERNOR WALZ HAS DONE HERE BUT THE REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T SHOWN THEMSELVES TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WIN STATEWIDE IN A LONG TIME.

>> Eric: OTHER CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR AND U.S. SENATE THAT HASN'T EVIDENCED THEMSELVES?

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY -- MOST OF THE CANDIDATES WHO ARE GOING TO RUN HAVE NOT COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK YET.

THEY ARE KIND OF WORKING THE PHONES AND CALLING PEOPLE AND GETTING A FEEL FOR WHICH OF THOSE TWO RACES THEY MIGHT WANT TO BE IN.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE BIG PART RIGHT NOW AND IT IS IN PART DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO RUN AGAINST ANGIE CRAIG OR PEGGY FLANAGAN IN THE SENATE RACE OR RUN AGAINST TIM WALZ THAT HE'S RUNNING FOR A THIRD TERM?

>> SENATOR JULIA COLEMAN.

>> SHE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK SHE WON'T RUN FORS SENATE BUT SHE HINTED AT BEING INTERESTED IN RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

KENDALL QUALS WHO RAN LAST TIME IS RUNNING ALREADY, SCOTT JENSEN HAS BEEN MAKING PHONE CALLS.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR SOLID CANDIDATES INCLUDING STATE REPRESENTATIVE KRISTIN ROBBINS POSSIBLY GET INTO THE RACE.

THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO.

WHEN PAWLENTY ANNOUNCED WHEN HE FIRST RAN IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2001.

ARRIVING WATCH THIS FALL FOR CANDIDATES TO REALLY START TO MAKE THEIR CASE.

>> Eric: STATE FAIR MAY BE THE PLACE TO LAUNCH.

AND IS THERE NAMES BEING FLOATED FOR WALZ' RUNNINGMATE?

I HEARD MELVIN CARTER'S NAME THIS WEEK.

>> I THINK GOVERNOR WALZ IS ACTUALLY IN A STRONG POSITION ON THIS, I THINK HE SHOULD TAKE HIS TIME.

WHO'S IT GONNA BE, I THINK YOU BUILD THE SUSPENSE FOR NEXT EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS, WE STILL HAVE A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR BUT YOU ALLOW CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE PARTY WHO NEEDS TO BE SEEN, WHO NEEDS TO BE ENGAGED AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION.

>> Cathy: SAY, KIND OF TO, I I WANT TING BACK TO SOMETHING WE TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY.

THE DOJ IS LOOKING AT THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES DIVERSITY HIRING PRACTICES, RIGHT.

BUT THE DOJ IS ALSO WANTING TO LOOK AT THE ELECTION PRACTICES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

>> WELL, IT TELLS YOU THAT THE DOJ IS LOOKING AT STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING IN TIM WALZ'S MINNESOTA FOR ONE.

ON THE DHS HIRING PRACTICES, I THINK YOU LOOK AT THAT AND MOST MINNESOTANS WOULD SAY WHEN PEOPLE GET HIRED FOR A JOB IN OUR STATE GOVERNMENT IT SHOULD BE BASED ON MERIT.

THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE HIRING PEOPLE, THOSE SHOULD BE THE BEST AND MOST QUALIFIED PEOPLE FOR THE JOB.

AND THE POLICY THAT DHS HAD WHERE YOU HAD TO JUSTIFY A HIRING THAT WAS NOT FROM AN UNDERREPRESENTED CATEGORY, THAT SOUNDS VERY UNIQUE AND OUTSIDE OF THE NORM.

AND SO THAT'S THE KEY THING THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THERE AND I THINK MOST MINNESOTANS WOULD AGREE.

>> Cathy: THE ELECTION PRACTICES THOUGH RAISE SOME EYEBROWS.

>> I THINK IT DOES AND I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE THING.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEFEND.

BUT BACK TO THE DEI STUFF, WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS.

LOOK AT THE EMPLOYEE WHO WAS JUST LET GO AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WHO IS A CONVICTED FELON AND THERE WAS NO BACKGROUND CHECK DONE ON HIM AT ALL AND THERE HE WAS DEALING WITH CONFIDENTIAL AND HIGHLY SENSITIVE CHILDREN DATA ON OUR STUDENTS.

THIS IS WHAT WHEN YOU HAVE EXTREMIST POLICIES LIKE HAT THAT WALZ HAS FOSTERED YOU GET CANDIDATES LIKE THAT.

>> Eric: 30 SECONDS.

>> LOOK, I THINK THE INTENT WAS A GOOD ONE.

I THINK THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IT PROBABLY WASN'T READY FOR PRIMETIME I ADMIT.

SO I THINK IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET, RIGHT?

SO I THINK IN THE EXT COUPLE WEEKS YOU'LL SEE CHANGES THERE THAT ARE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS DOJ CONCERNS.

>> Eric: LOT OF STUFF GOING ON FOR MIDDLE OF JULY.

THANKS, PANEL.

TERRIFIC STUFF.

♪ >> IN MY CAMPAIGN NOTEBOOK THIS WEEK, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY FROM WAITERS' WAGES TO TAX RETURNS, AFTER THE CANDIDATES CHRIS-CROSS THE STATE AROUND THE FOURTH OF JULY HOLIDAY.

♪ >> Eric: IT'S MINNESOTA HISTORY TIME AND IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO LET'S REVIEW THE DETAILS.

WE ASKED YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN EARLY NOVEMBER OF 2003 IN DULUTH.

OVERLOOKING THE LAKE SUPERIOR HARBOR, NOT ONE BUT TWO WORLD RECORD ATTEMPTS WERE SUCCESSFUL ON THAT FALL DAY.

THE RECORDS WERE SET BY A FATHER AND SON DUO AND INVOLVED HEAVY SOLID MATERIALS.

THEY BOTH A DECLARED SUCCESS DESPITE SUSTAINING MINOR CUTS AND MINOR BRUISES.

WHAT TWO WORLD RECORDS WERE SET BY A FATHER AND SON DUO IN DULUTH?

WRONG ANSWERS UP FIRST AS ALWAYS.

>> “I’M GUESSING THAT’S A FATHER-SON DUO ACCOMPLISHED CUTTING DOWN LOTS OF LOGS OR HAULING LOGS THROUGH LAKE SUPERIOR.

THANK YOU.” >> “I THINK THE FATHER-SON DUO TOOK A HIGH PLUNGE AND WERE THE DEEPEST DIVE IN THE SUPERIOR HARBOR.” >> “MCQUAID AND RILEY PASS OF SAN DIEGO PUSHED A WHEELCHAIR AT GRANDMA’S MARATHON DULUTH IN 2023.

TOOK A WORLD RECORD TWO HOURS, 35 MINUTES AND 26 SECONDS, BREAKING THE OLD WORLD RECORD BY MORE THAN 12 MINUTES.

THIS IS FRITZ IN SLEEPY EYE.

LOVE THE SHOW!” >> “THE RECORD THAT THE FATHER AND SON TEAM BROKE, I THINK WERE ROB COSTELLO AND HIS SON MAX, WHO CAUGHT A RECORD SALMON AND TROUT ON LAKE SUPERIOR.

THANK YOU BYE.” >> Eric: ALL NTERESTING GUESSES AND ALL OF THEM WRONG.

FOR THIS WEEK'S RIGHT ANSWER WE TURN TO MIKE OUT OF MINNEAPOLIS.

MIKE, TAKE IT AWAY.

>> “I THINK THAT IN DULUTH WE HAD DAN AND CHAD NETHERLAND, FATHER AND SON, WHO SET WORLD RECORDS.

CHAD HAD 692 POUNDS OF CONCRETE BROKEN ON HIS CHEST WHILE LYING ON A BED OF 156 NAILS.

THEN HIS FATHER DAN BROKE 76 RED BRICKS IN 25 SECONDS, WHICH WAS A RECORD AND CREATED A NEW CATEGORY IN THE GUINNESS WORLD BOOK OF RECORDS.

SO THERE.

LOVE ALMANAC.

HOPE I MAKE IT ON THE AIR.

BYE-BYE!” >> Eric: YEAH, YOU MADE IT, MIKE.

YOU ARE CORRECT ND HERE'S AN OLD EWSPAPER ACCOUNT WITH KIND OF GRAINY PHOTOS FROM THE ARCHIVES, ONLINE ARCHIVES OF THE DULUTH NEWS RIBUNE.

THESE TWO RECORDS WERE SET AT THE GREAT LAKES AQUARIUM IN THE DULUTH HARBOR WHERE CHAD NETHERLAND WAS THE DIRECTOR.

NOW, WE OFFER THIS.

IF YOU SET A GUINNESS WORLD RECORD AND WANT TO FELL US ABOUT IT, 651-229-1430.

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