>> Eric: FEAR IN JEWISH COMMUNITIES HAS INTENSIFIED AFTER A FIREBOMBING IN BOULDER, COLORADO, ON SUNDAY INJURED NEARLY 20 PEOPLE.

THE ATTACK CAME LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AFTER TWO ISRAELI EMBASSY STAFF MEMBERS WERE SHOT AND KILLED BY A GUNMAN IN WASHINGTON, D.C. STEVE HUNEGS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL OF MINNESOTA AND THE DAKOTAS, KNOWN AS JCRC.

ARE FOLKS STUCK IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN LIKE VIOLENCE FROM THE LEFT AND VIOLENCE FROM THE RIGHT?

I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF COMING FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.

FISCAL NOTE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, ERIC, AND THANK YOU, CATHY, FOR HAVING US ON THE SHOW.

DRIVING JEWS FROM THE PUBLIC SPACES, FROM THE CIVIC SPACES IS ONE OF THE GOALS OF THIS TERRORISM.

THEY WON'T SUCCEED.

ALSO, PEOPLE ARE GOING ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS, GOING TO SYNAGOGUE, GOING TO SCHOOLS, GOING TO AGENCIES, GOING TO THEIR WORKPLACE, HAPPENS TO BE A JEWISH WORKPLACE, SO THAT'S ALSO GOOD.

PEOPLE ARE CALM, WE'RE RESOLUTE.

BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

IF YOU GO BACK TO SYNAGOGUE, THE ATTACK ON THE SYNAGOGUE IN PITTSBURGH, THAT WAS CONNECTED BY WHITE SUPREMACISTS.

THE SYNAGOGUE IN SAN DIEGO, OUTSIDE OF SAN DIEGO, WHITE SUPREMACIST.

FIVE YEARS LATER WHAT ARE WE SEEING, WHETHER IT'S THE ATTACK ON GOVERNOR SHAPIRO IN PENNSYLVANIA, ATTACKS ON EMBASSY WORKERS, IN D.C. OR WHAT HAPPENED IN BOULDER, THAT'S NOW COMING FROM THE FAR LEFT.

THEY CALL IT THE HORSESHOE PHENOMENAL, THAT'S WHERE THE FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT AGREE HATRED OF JEWS AND TERRORISM OF JEWS AND AS YOU SUGGESTED ERIC, DEEPLY CONCERNING.

>> Cathy: THIS SEEMS TO BE AN INTRACTABLE SITUATION.

JEWISH FOLKS, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO GO AWAY, THE ANTI-SEMITISM.

>> IT'S OUR WORK AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

AS I SAID BEFORE WE'RE RESOLUTE.

KEEP IN MIND IN THE UNITED STATES THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO BE A JEW, RIGHT?

WE ENJOY REMARKABLE FREEDOMS, WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIPS WITH MOST GROUPS, MOST RELIGIOUS GROUPS.

GOT TO KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

NEVERTHELESS THIS IS A DIFFICULT AND TROUBLING TIME BECAUSE OF THE RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM AND NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING, IMPORTATION OF SORT OF THE WORST ASPECTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT BY TERRORISM OF JEWS AND ISRAEL SUPPORTERS TOO.

I BROUGHT WITH ME THIS LETTER THAT WAS SIGNED BY A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THIS IS SORT OF THE CRITICAL POINT HERE IS THEY SAID THE CONTEXT IS EFFECTIVELY GLORIFYING VIOLENCE, AND OPEN CALLS TO VIOLENCE OBSERVED AFTER OCTOBER.

IT'S A LETTER TO FACEBOOK, TIK TOK AND X.

WELL, THAT'S THE POINT, WHAT'S DRIVING SO MUCH OF THIS IS JUST THE INCENDIARY LANGUAGE, THE RAW SEWAGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

WHAT USED TO BE CONFINED TO A BROADSIDE OR A NEWSPAPER OR SOME SUCH THING IS NOW I CALL IT A DAILY NUREMBERG RALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, SAME SORT OF TROPES WHICH ACCUSE JEWS OF, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLING THE WORLD, ENGAGING IN ALL SORTS OF NEFARIOUS ACTS ARE NOW THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF SO MANY PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: HOW DOES AN ORGANIZATION LIKE JCRC AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TRY TO THEN BATTLE THIS?

>> IT'S A FORMIDABLE EFFORT TO SAY THE LEAST.

OUR ORGANIZATION PRIDES ITSELF ON WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, COMMUNICATION.

WORKING WITH LEADERS, WORKING WITH OTHER CIVIC GROUPS, MAKING ALLIANCES.

IT'S HUGELY HELPFUL.

BUT THAT'S A, WE TELL WORLD.

NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A WORLD OF SORT OF WHOLESALE HATE.

AND THAT IS, WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN ADAPTATIONS NOW WHEN IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SIGNIFICANT RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE IS COMMUNITY SECURITY, AND YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE NOW THREE CARS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE MAKING SURE PLACES ARE SECURE.

BUT THE WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE.

PEOPLE ARE OFTEN SURPRISED WHEN THEY GO INTO SYNAGOGUES IN THE TWIN CITIES FOR INSTANCE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL SORT OF SECURITY PROVISIONS AND IT'S WHAT WE DO, IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN GOING INTO A CHURCH OR MOSQUE EVEN OR A TEMPLE WHERE YOU ON'T SEE SUCH THINGS.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, PALESTINIAN-ISRAELI SOLUTION, TWO-STATE SOLUTION, THE POLITICS THAT WERE INVOLVED?

WHERE ARE YOU HEADING INTEREST?

>> RIGHT, WELL, OUR ORGANIZATION HAS LONG SINCE 1993 BEEN A PROPONENT OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

ISRAEL ALONGSIDE PALESTINIAN STATE.

WE'VE SEEN SINCE OCTOBER 7TH, THOUGH, ISRAELI PUBLIC OPINION HAS SOURED ON THE IDEA OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7TH.

IT'S OUR JOB OF COURSE TO ADVOCATE AS BEST WE CAN FOR ISRAEL IN A MIDWESTERN PERSPECTIVE TOWARDS ISRAEL POINTING OUT SOME OF THE IMPORTANT AND POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE ALSO HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST TOO.

THE ABRAHAMIC ACCORDS FOR INSTANCE AND BUILDING UPON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ALSO.

KEEPING IN MIND THAT PERHAPS A WEAKENED SYRIA AND WEAKENED IRRAN AND OTHER POSSIBILITIES AND MORE NEGOTIATIONS OR AT LEAST THE POTENTIAL OF NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN LEBANON AND ISRAEL COULD POINT OUT TOE A BETTER FUTURE TOO.

>> Eric: APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING YOUR