>> Eric: JOINING US NOW TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WEEK IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND NATIONAL POLITICS, DAVID SCHULTZ.

HE SHAPES YOUNG MINDS TEACHING POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS.

WELL, DID THE REPUBLICANS ACHIEVE WHAT THEY SET OUT TO DO?

>> THEY DID ACTUALLY.

THEY HAD A VERY, VERY GOOD CONVENTION THERE, THEY WANTED TO PROJECT A SENSE OF UNITY, THEY WANTED TO START TO LAY OUT SOME OF THEIR BASIC THEMES.

THE FACT THEY HAD NIKKI HALEY, DESANTIS SPEAKING, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE BEST SPEAKER WAS THE PERSON FROM THE TEAMSTERS WHO CAME ON.

BUT WHEN YOU WALKED AWAY YOU GOT A SENSE THE PARTY WAS UNIFIED AND AT THIS POINT THEY HAD A THEME, THEY HAD AN ARGUMENT THEY WANTED TO MAKE AND SO I THINK THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB.

USUALLY THE REPUBLICANS DON'T QUITE CHOREO GRAPH IT AS WELL BUT THIS ONE THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON.

>> Cathy: FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKED ABOUT UNITY FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES AND THAT KIND OF WENT OFF THE RAILS LATER ON IN THAT 93-MINUTE SPEECH THAT HE GAVE LAST NIGHT.

I MEAN SO THE SENSE OF UNITY THAT HE WANTS AS HE SAID HE WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT FOR ALL OF AMERICA BUT POLLS SHOW THAT MORE THAN AT LEAST HALF ARE NOT TOO IMPRESSED WITH HIM, SO WHERE'S THE UNITY THERE?

>> WELL, THE UNITY WAS WITHIN THE PARTY, IT CERTAINLY WASN'T ACROSS AMERICA.

AND RIGHT IF HE STOPPED AFTER THE FIRST 15 MINUTES I STILL THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES EVER BECAUSE THERE'S A SENSE OF HUMILITY, THERE WAS A SENSE.

COMPASSION, RECOGNIZING WHAT ALMOST HAPPENED TO HIM AND IT WAS A GOOD SPEECH.

STOP IT THERE AFTER 15 MINUTES, IT'S GREAT.

BUT THE NEXT 75 MINUTES OR 80 MINUTES OR WHATEVER WENT TOO LATE, WENT TOO LONG, IT WAS WANDERING, MEANDERING AND YOU'RE RIGHT ANYTHING THAT HE TRIED TO ACHIEVE IN TERMS OF THEME, IN TERMS OF UNITY AT THAT POINT BACK TO THE OLD, OLD -- OLD THEMES AND ALSO OLD THEMES.

BUT OTHER THING I SHOULD POINT OUT HERE IS DESPITE ALL OF THAT REMEMBER THERE USUALLY IS A CONVENTION BUMP AND THE BUMP IS USUALLY ABOUT THREE TO FIVE POINTS.

I'LL BE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE POLLS ARE AT THIS POINT.

HE'LL GET A SHORT-TERM BUMP EVEN DESPITE HIS SPEECH.

>> Eric: WE'LL SEE J.D.

VANCE QUITE OFTEN IN MINNESOTA?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE HIM A LOT BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE THERE TO TRY TO SELL MINNESOTA TO HIM AND TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

HIS THEMES WERE ALL ABOUT WHAT?

ALL ABOUT HIS MIDWEST VALUES, TRYING TO APPEAL TO THE WHITE WORKING CLASS, FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED T FOR EXAMPLE THE WHICH I HAVE, HILLBILLY ELEGY, HE'S TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE AMERICAN STORY, THE STORY OF, WHAT, STARTING OFF POOR, APPALACHIA, AND WORKING YOUR WAY UP AND AMERICA LOVES THAT STORY AND THAT'S WHAT HE TRIED TO TELL.

KEEP IN MIND HE'S ALSO FULL MAGA, THIS IS NOT SOMEBODY REACHING OUT TO SWING VOTERS.

>> Eric: PRESIDENT BIDEN, WILL HE STAY OR WILL HE GO?

>> IT'S FUNNY WE WERE ON THIS SHOW THREE OR FOUR WEEKSING AGO I THINK IT WAS, DOES IT LOOK LIKELY?

IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S INCREASINGLY HAPPENING AT THIS POINT, MORE SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES, BETTY MCCOLLUM CAME OUT FRIDAY AND SAID IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.

THE PRESSURE IS PRETTY ENORMOUS AT THIS POINT IN ERMS OF HIM GETTING OUT AT THIS POINT.

BUT REMEMBER IT'S STILL HIS CALL, IT'S STILL HIS CHOICE.

AND HE'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL FOR 50 YEARS AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.

SO RIGHT NOW I THINK I MIGHT HAVE SAID TWO WEEKS AGO OR THREE WEEKS AGO 50/50 CHANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, I THINK NOW IT'S GREATER THAN 50% CHANCE BUT THE CLOCK IS RUNNING OUT.

>> Cathy: IN TERMS OF TOO, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THIS CHAOS THEY'RE DEALING WITH, DOESN'T THIS ALSO HURT THEM AS THE ELECTION IS JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, PRETTY MUCH?

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO THEY HAVE TO KIND OF TRY TO BUTTON THIS UP SOMEHOW.

>> THEY DO HAVE TO BUTTON UP.

BUT I THINK IF THE POLLS ARE ACCURATE AND I THINK THEY ARE NATIONWIDE, BIDEN IS BEHIND, NATIONWIDE POLLS DON'T MATTER BUT THE CRITICAL SWING STATES HE'S BEHIND AND IN MINNESOTA BIDEN IS IN DANGER OF LOSING MINNESOTA.

IF YOU LOSE MINNESOTA AS A DEMOCRAT, YOU LOSE EVERYTHING.

WHAT I'M GETTING AT S THE DEMOCRATS MAY HAVE NO CHOICE.

THEY MIGHT HAVE TO GET RID OF HIM AND GO THROUGH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHAOS.

IF HE WERE TO STEP DOWN I KNOW PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT AUTOMATICALLY GHOST TO HARRIS.

THE DEMOCRATS PROBABLY WOULD BE SMARTER TO SAY WE'VE GOT THREE WEEKS, LET A VARIETY OF CANDIDATES EMERGE AND SEE WHO EMERGES AS THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE AT THIS POINT.

AGAIN THE OLLS ARE UGGESTING AT THIS POINT VARIOUS LEVELS OF SUPPORT FOR WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, HARRIS OR GRETCHEN WHITMER, GAVIN NEWSOM.

THE CHAOS IS THERE, THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO LOSE RIGHT NOW IF THEY DON'T MAKE A CHANGE.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY HAVE TO GO HAIL MARY BUT THEY'RE GOING HA HAIL MARY.

>> Cathy: WHAT HAPPENS AT AN OPEN CONVENTION THEN?

>> OPEN CONVENTION, IF THE DELEGATES ARE FREE, IT'S GOING TO BE HORSE TRADING ND JOCKEYING TO SEE WHO GETS THE MOST SUPPORT.

MAYBE THAT'S THE BETTER WAY OF CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT.

PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS QUESTION OF WHO'S THE PARTY AT THIS POINT?

RIGHT NOW BIDEN THINKS HE'S THE PARTY, HE GETS TO MAKE THE CALL.

MAYBE IT OUGHT TO BE, WHAT, THE PUBLIC OPINION POLLS SAYING 60% OF DEMOCRATS SAYING HE OUGHT TO GO.

MAYBE IT OUGHT TO BE THE CONVENTION PEOPLE SAYING MAYBE WE HAVE BUYER'S REMORSE.

>> Eric: COULD BE A BIG WEEKEND FOR DECISION MAKING.

>> IT COULD