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>> CATHY: ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON WILL JOIN US LIVE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHAUVIN VERDICT AND THE AUGUST TRIAL AGAINST THREE FORMER OFFICERS FACING CHARGES IN THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER.

KAOMI LEE TAKES A DEEP LOOK AT THE CONTROVERSIAL ENBRIDGE LINE THREE PIPELINE, AND THEN MARY LAHAMMER LOOKS AT SOME WELCOME NEWS FROM THE CENSUS.

>> Mary: SO JUST HOW AND WHY HAS MINNESOTA'S PONE LAGS GROWN ENOUGH TO EDGE OUT NEW YORK IN RETAINING OUR CONGRESSIONAL SEATS?

>> TWO DECADES IN A ROW, WE GOT THE LAST SEAT.

BUT THIS WAS TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT.

>> Mary: I'LL TAKE A DEEP DIVE ON THE ISSUE, THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: WE'LL COVER THE ENBRIDGE LINE THREE AND CENSUS STORIES LATER IN THE HOUR.

BUT FIRST UP, FEDERAL CHARGES AGAINST DEREK CHAUVIN WERE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK AS THE JUDGE PREPARES SENTENCING ON THE STATE'S CASE AGAINST THE FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER.

>> ERIC: HERE TO LOOK BACK AT THE MURDER CONVICTION, AND TO LOOK AHEAD AT NEXT LEGAL STEPS, IS KEITH ELLISON, MINNESOTA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HE LED THE SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION TEAM.

GENERAL, YOU TOLD "60 MINTS" THAT YOU FELT, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, A LITTLE BAD FOR DEREK CHAUVIN AFTER THE VERDICT.

COULD YOU FLESH THAT OUT FOR US?

>> YOU KNOW, I SPENT 16 YEARS AS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER AND I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO SIT IN A JAIL CELL TALKING WITH YOUR CLIENT ABOUT WHAT THEIR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE, IT CAN BE TOUGH, IT CAN BE LONELY BUT THE FACT IS THAT DOESN'T DETER ME FROM DOING MY DUTY WHICH IS TO PURSUE A JUST OUTCOME, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT WE DID, AND NOW WE'RE FACING SENTENCING WHICH IS ALSO A PART OF THE PROCESS.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU HELP VIEWERS AND WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE FACTORS THE JUDGE MAY USE TO MAYBE SENTENCE IN AN UPWARD DEPARTURE FROM THE GUIDELINES?

>> WELL, THE GUIDELINE SENTENCE IS 150 MONTHS, AND THE -- WE'VE SUBMITTED A NOTICE OF AGGRAVATING FACTORS WHICH WOULD INCLUDE GEORGE FLOYD BEING PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE, WOULD ALSO INCLUDE DEREK CHAUVIN BEING IN A POSITION OF TRUST AND RESPONSIBILITY.

IT WOULD INCLUDE THE CHILDREN BEING PRESENT.

IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE PARTICULAR CRUELTY AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT THE COURT MAY CONSIDER.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SUPREME COURT OUGHT TO DO WITH MAYBE A MORE PERMANENT LOOK AT CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM?

>> WELL, I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT IN THE BEGINNING I WAS A LITTLE RELUCTANT ABOUT THE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM.

I THINK NOW, AFTER HAVING GONE THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE, THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS AN ACCOMMODATION FOR VULNERABLE WITNESSES, CHILDREN, MINORS, OTHERS, THAT IT CAN WORK.

PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE A JUDGE HO KEEPS EVERYBODY FOCUSED ON A JOB AT HAND, WHICH IS PUTTING ON A FAIR TRIAL.

>> Cathy: WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO THE HIGH COURT THAT MAYBE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOMS BE USED ON A MORE PERMANENT BASES IN MINNESOTA COURTROOMS?

>> YOU KNOW, I WOULD -- I THINK UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, IT COULD WORK.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THE PROCESS OF JUSTICE.

PANDEMIC, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GALLERY IN THIS TRIAL.

THERE WERE NO -- WAS NO NORMAL REGULAR SEATING FOR PEOPLE TO WATCH THE PROCEEDINGS, SO, REALLY, IF H PUBLIC WAS GOING TO KNOW AND SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, IT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE WAY THAT THE COURT ORDERED IT TO BE DONE.

THERE WERE TWO POOL REPORTERS BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED SEATING, THERE WERE ONLY TWO POOL REPORTERS.

SO I THINK IN THE FUTURE, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO OPEN UP SOME DISCUSSION ON.

>> Eric: WOULD A PLEA BARGAIN WITH THE THREE FORMER OFFICERS THAT ALLEGEDLY AIDED AND ABETTED OFFICER CHAUVIN, WOULD A PLEA BARGAIN THERE BE EASIER ON THE STATE AND THE NATION OR WOULD YOU OFFER IT?

WOULD THERE ATTORNEYS OFFER IT?

HOW MIGHT THAT ALL WORK?

>> WELL, ERIC, I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS AT THIS POINT BUT AS YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS -- THAT IS A PART OF OUR SYSTEM.

I'M JUST NOT AT LIBERTY TO TALK ABOUT HE STATE OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.

>> Cathy: A LOT GOING ON WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

LET'S SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THAT GRAND JURY REPORT THAT THEY MAY HAND DOWN CHARGES, CIVIL RIGHTS CHARGES AGAINST THE FOUR FORMER OFFICERS.

DOES THAT COMPLICATE WHAT YOUR FOLKS ARE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRIMINAL CASES AT ALL?

>> NOPE.

WE HAVE THREE CHARGES AGAINST EACH OFFICER IN EIGHTING AND ABETTING, AND OUR CHARGES ARE CLEAR.

WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO PROVE AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE -- WE WOULDN'T HAVE FILED THOSE CHARGES UNLESS WE BELIEVED WE COULD PROVE THEM BUT I MUST SAY, THE DEFENDANTS ARE CONSIDERED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

>> Eric: THE VIDEO IN THE TRIAL WAS SO COMPELLING.

>> YEAH.

>> Eric: AND I WONDER IF GOING FORWARD, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS, THAT IT MIGHT BE A MUST-HAVE NOW FOR PROSECUTORS WHEN THEY TAKE ON A CRIMINAL DEFENDANT?

>> I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT.

I MEAN, I THINK FOR LITERALLY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS, TRIALS HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED WITH WITNESSES GIVEN TESTIMONY SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION, FAIR AND IMPARTIAL INJURY, FAIR JUDGE AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE PULLED TOGETHER THE INDICATION, I CAN TELL YOU THIS, ERIC AND CATHY, WE TRIED TO ENVISION AND IMAGINE THE TRIAL WITHOUT THE VIDEO.

WE TRIED TO FIGURE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE AND REALLY LET THE WITNESSES CARRY IT, AND AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OFSORT OF- EVIDENCE.

I THINK IT WAS INDISPENSIBLE TO OUR PRESENTATION BUT, REALLY, WE DID NOT WANT TO OVERLY RELY ON THAT VIDEO.

>> Cathy: I NEED TO ASK YOU ABOUT ANOTHER CASE, OF OURSE, THIS IS THE CASE OF FORMER OFFICER KIM POTTER AND DAUNTE WRIGHT'S KILLING.

WHY DO YOU WANT THAT CASE TO REMAIN WITH THE WASHINGTON COUNTY ATTORNEY.

OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PROTESTS OUTSIDE HIS HOME, FOLKS WANT HIM TO GET OFF THE CASE AND THEY WANT YOUR OFFICE TO TAKE IT AND INSTITUTE MURDER CHARGES.

WHY ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT WITH Mr. ORFIT?

>> I'VE KNOWN PETE FOR YEARS AND HE IS A PASSIONATE PROSECUTOR, HE KNOWS WHAT HIS JOB IS.

HE USED TO WORK AT THE MINNESOTA ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND SO HE'S KIND OF OUR GUY AND WE BELIEVE THAT HE'S VERY COMPETENT AT HIS JOB, AND HAS THE HIGHEST ETHICAL AND MORAL QUALITIES.

SO WE'RE CONFIDENT IN PETE ORPILT.

>> Eric: BACK TO THE CHAUVIN VERDICT FOR JUST A SECOND, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED, IF ANYTHING, OR MAYBE SOMETHING SURPRISED YOU FROM THE ONE JUROR THAT'S TALKED AND THE ALTERNATE THAT'S TALKED?

>> I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN THEY SAID THEY COULD HAVE CAME BACK IN 20 MINUTES BUT FOR THE ONE JUROR WHO WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS.

IN FACT, THE WHOLE JURY CAME BACK QUICKER THAN I ANTICIPATED.

I THOUGHT WE WOULD HEAR FROM THEM MORE ALONG THES LINES OF WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY, NOT TUESDAY, BUT I GUESS I'M GLAD THAT THEY CAME BACK QUICKER RAN THAT IT IS LATER, SO THAT WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE TO ME.

THE EMOTIONAL TOLL IT TAKES ON PEOPLE.

HONESTLY, THEY HAD TO WATCH GEORGE FLOYD GET MURDERED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THAT'S HARD ON PEOPLE.

>> Eric: WHAT ABOUT THE HUNDREDS OF GUN-RELATED CRIMES BEING COMMITTED IN MINNEAPOLIS AND St. PAUL WITHOUT POLICE SHOOTING INCIDENT INVOLVED?

>> VERY SERIOUS.

>> Eric: WHAT'S BEING DONE ON THAT AS SUSPECT OF THE THING?

>> VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.

WE HAVE GOT TO REDUCE THE VALUABLE OF GUNS AND WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE MORE UPSTREAM STRATEGIES TO REDUCE CRIME AND VIOLENCE.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SAFE AND COMMUNITY IS SAFE AND THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL TYPES OF WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORS ARE TIGHTER, THAT THE UNIAT THE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS IS BETTER AND THAT THE REPORTING IS MORE EFFECTIVE.

IT IS A TOP-FRONT ISSUE FOR PEOPLE TO BE SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE THAT.

>> Cathy: OF COURSE, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, TWO, THE LEGISLATURE IS STARTING TO WIND DOWN AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLACE REFORM BILLS THAT ARE UP FOR CONSIDERATION.

YOUR FORM YOU'RE A FORMER LAWMAKER, YOU KNOW HOW THIS WHOLE PROCESS WORKS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT ULTIMATELY PASS, OR WHAT COULD PASS THIS SESSION?

>> WELL, I HOPE SOME OF THE VEHICLE STOP MEASURES PASS.

I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET SOME POLICE REFORM LEGISLATION OUT OF THIS SESSION, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR STATE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS WHO GO TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY AND DO THE JOB RIGHT.

I THINK THEY DESERVE THAT.

AND I THINK, CERTAINLY, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND OTHERS WILL BE VERY, VERY ENCOURAGED IF THAT WERE TO PASS.

SO I'M ALSO PULLING FOR THE FEDERAL LEGISLATION, THE GEORGE FLOYD JUSTICE AND POLICING ACT, VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

MADE IT THROUGH THE HOUSE, NOW IT'S IN THE SENATE AND, YOU KNOW, TIM SCOTT WHO THE WHOLE WORLD SAW JUST A FEW DAYS AGO AND CORRIE BOOKER ARE NEGOTIATING THAT, AND I'M HOPEFUL ABOUT THAT, AND I HOPE PEOPLE SUPPORT THAT.

>> Eric: KEITH ELSE SON, ATTORNEY GENERAL.

APPRECIATE THE TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ERIC: MINNESOTA GOT GOOD NEWS THIS WEEK.

THE STATE GREW ENOUGH TO HOLD ON TO ALL OF ITS CONGRESSIONAL SEATS.

POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER HAS IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS WITH AN ECONOMIC HISTORIAN AND A LONGTIME LEGAL EXPERT ON REDISTRICTING TO EXPLAIN WHY MINNESOTA IS OUTPACING SIMILAR STATES IN ECONOMIC AND POPULATION GROWTH.

>> Mary: FIRST QUESTION YOU HAVE WATCHED CENSUS AND REDISTRICT ENGINE FOR EVER.

WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION THIS TIME AROUND?

>> IT WAS HALLELUJAH.

POPULATION GROWTH AND ECONOMIC GROWTH ARE VERY STRONGLY RELATED.

WE DIDN'T USED TO THINK THAT.

IT TURNS OUT THAT AREAS THAT GROW FASTER SEE THEIR AVERAGE STANDARDS OF LIVING RISE FASTER.

AND THIS INFORMATION, I THINK, FROM THIS CENSUS, IS REALLY GOOD NEWS FOR MINNESOTA.

>> IT WAS SO CLOSE AND WE HAVE BEEN ON THE CUSP OF LOSING A DISTRICT FOR SO LONG, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS AGO, WE KEPT OUR 8th SEAT BY ONLY ABOUT 15,000 PEOPLE.

WE GOT THE 435th FEET TEN YEARS AGO, TOO, SO TWO DECADES IN A ROW, WE GOT THE LAST SEAT BUT THIS WAS TOO CROSS FOR COMFORT.

>> Mary: I SEE A MAP OF MINNESOTA BEHIND YOU AND I THINK IT WAS PART OF OUR HUMBLE BRAG THAT OUR POPULATION ASK INCREASING MORE THAN REALLY SIMILAR STATES AROUND US, ESPECIALLY LIKE WIZ AND MICHIGAN.

WHY IS THAT?

>> THE MINNEAPOLIS-St. PAUL ECONOMY, IN PARTICULAR, AND MOST OF THE STATE, AS WELL, HAS A VERY DYNAMIC ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE ATTRACTING PEOPLE NOT ONLY FROM OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD BUT FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND FROM ABROAD.

THE SECOND FACTOR IS, WE'VE BEEN A PLACE HERE IMMIGRANTS HAVE SETTLED, AND IMMIGRANTS TEND TO BE YOUNGER, THEY TEND TO BE IN THE FACE OF THEIR LIFE WHERE THEY'RE HAVING CHILDREN AND SO THAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THE POPULATION GROWTH, AS WELL.

>> Mary: WE'RE SEEING SOME REALLY INTERESTING POPULATION KIND OF POP-UPS AROUND ECONOMIES IN GREATER MINNESOTA.

CAN YOU XPLAIN THAT?

>> YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH IN PLACES LIKE WILLMAR AND FERGUS FALLS, OR ALEXANDRIA, WHERE NOT ONLY IS THERE A LOT OF GROWTH JUST IN THE POPULATION ITSELF, UT THERE'S A LOT OF MIGRATION.

ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM THE TWIN CITIES IS TOO ALEXANDRIA.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE A THRIVING INDUSTRY THERE IN ROBOTICS.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAYBE KNOW COMPUTER CODING OR THEY HAVE MACHINE TOOL EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN MOVE OUT THERE, MAYBE GET A HOUSE THAT'S A LITTLE CHEAPER OR LIVE NEARER THE LAKE AND THE OTHER AMENITIES THEY MIGHT WANT AND SO THAT IMPROVES THE DYNAMISM OF THE ALEXANDRIA AREA ECONOMY.

>> Mary: I WAS INTERVIEWING THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FERGUS FALLS AND HE SAID HIS LOCAL BUSINESSES DID RECORD BUSINESS IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE STARTED WORKING REMOTELY FROM THE LAKE OR THE CABIN.

THAT'S KIND OF A UNIQUELY MINNESOTA PART OF OUR ECONOMY, TOO, ISN'T IT?

>> OH, DEFINITELY, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE WERE TO PLAY OUR CARDS RIGHT, IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO VERY WELL AT.

>> Mary: WERE YOU SURPRISED, FRANKLY?

>> NOT TOTALLY SURPRISED, NO.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT MINNESOTA IS REALLY GOOD -- WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT COUNTING OURSELVES AND WITH OUR VOTER PARTICIPATION IN THE LAST ELECTION, ALMOST 80%, WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND, ONCE AGAIN, WE LET THE NATION, AS WE DID TEN YEARS AGO.

WE LET THE NATION IN SELF-RESPONSE.

>> Mary: ANY POLICY DECISIONS THAT LAWMAKERS AND GOVERNORS AND POLITICIANS GOT RIGHT THAT HELPED STIM LATE OUR GROWTH?

>> I THINK THERE WERE TWO THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT.

ONE TOOK PLACE IN THE 1950s AND IT HAD TO DO WITH ROAD BUILDING.

WE MADE SURE THAT THERE WERE HIGHWAYS THAT COULD CONNECT POPULATION CENTERS AROUND THE STATE.

THE OTHER THING, WHICH STARTED IN THE 1930s BUT ACCELERATED IN THE '50s AND '60s WAS THE COMMITMENT TO K-12 EDUCATION.

WE SOMETIMES THINK OF THE MINNESOTA MIRACLE AS CAUSING OUR GROWTH.

I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE RESULT.

>> Mary: WOW.

>> OF THE DECISIONS WE MADE IN THE '50s, '40ED AND '30s.

>> R. >> Mary: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECISIONS MADE IN THE 1930s, '40 '50s, THAT HAVE HELPED OUR GROWTH.

>> AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS NOW THAT WILL AFFECT 20, 50 YEARS DOWN THE LINE.

>> THINKING ABOUT ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN MY MIND, THE LUTHERANISM.

THE LUTHERANS WERE REALLY BIG ON READING BOOKS.

LUTE THERS HAVE ALWAYS PUT A VERY HIGH EMPHASIS ON EDUCATION.

>> SINGS BASICALLY THE ENDS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, MINNESOTA HAS GONE UP AND UP AND UP.

>> Mary: ONE THING THAT GETS QUITE POLITICAL IS OUR TAX RATE AND THERE'S THIS CONCEPT THAT OUR HIGH-INCOME EARNERS ARE LEAVING AND HAVE LEFT AS WE RAISE INCOME TAXES.

IS THAT TRUE, IS THAT A FACTOR?

>> IT'S A ACTOR, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT IS DEBATABLE.

THESE POPULATION GROWTH NUMBERS SEEM TO INDICATE THAT WE'RE NOT SHEDDING PEOPLE, WE'RE.

>> LOSING PEOPLE TO TEXAS.

THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER YET IS HOW MUCH DOES IT REALLY MATTER TO MINNESOTA'S ECONOMY?

PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEIR LATE 50s OR IN THEIR 60s, IF THEY MOVE TO FLORIDA, DOES THAT REALLY ENDS UP AFFECTING THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN MINNESOTA?

IT OESN'T SEEM LIKE IT.

>> Mary: WE HEAR NEW YORK IS MAYBE TRYING TO SUE BECAUSE OF THE CLOSE MARGIN ON OUR RETAINING ON OUR CONGRESSIONAL STATE.

DO THEY AVE A LEGAL ARGUMENT?

ARE WE IN PERIL?

>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT FOR DECADES THAT IS SHOWN GREAT DEFERENCE TO THE CENSUS BUREAU.

THEY JUST DON'T INTERFERE WITH THE CENSUS BUREAU'S METHOD OF COUNTING.

♪♪ >> CATHY: FEDERAL AND STATE APPEALS COURT CASES ARE STILL PENDING AGAINST ENBRIDGE'S LINE 3 PIPELINE.

BILLION PROJECT, WILL SEND6- CANADIAN TAR SANDS OIL ACROSS MORE THAN 337 MILES OF NORTHERN MINNNESOTA.

THE CONTROVERSIAL PIPELINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT HAS CAUSED DEEP DIVISION.

ONE GREATER MINNESOTA REPORTER KAOMI GOETZ RECENTLY TRAVELED TO NORTHERN MINNESOTA TO FIND OUT MORE.

A REMINDER BEFORE WE BEGIN, ENBRIDGE IS ONE OF THE SPONSORS OF "ALMANAC."

NONE OF OUR SPONSORS HAS A SAY IN HOW WE COVER TOPICS ON OUR PROGRAM.

>> TAYESHA MARTINEAU IS A MEMBER OF THE FOND DU LAC BAND OF LAKE SUPERIOR CHIPPEWA.

>> WHEN WE FOUND THIS SPOT, THERE WERE TWO EAGLES FLYING ABOVE IT AND I REALIZED THAT THIS WAS IT.

>> SHE'S THE FOUNDER OF CAMP MIIGIZI, A RESISTANT SETTLEMENT ON FOND DO YOU LOOK THAT'S FIGHTING TO STOP ENBRIDGE'S LINE 3 PIPELINE PROJECT.

>> I REALIZED THAT WE COULD HAVE A CAMP RIGHT NEXT TO ENBRIDGE SO THAT THEY KNOW WE'RE OUT HERE, THEY KNOW THAT OPPOSITION WITHIN FOND DU LAC IS VALID AND THAT NOT EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT TO THIS PROJECT.

>> ENBRIDGE IS INSTALLING A NEW, WIDER PIPE ACROSS 337 MILES OF NORTHERN MINNESOTA.

THE NEW PIPELINE WILL TRANSPORT CANADIAN TAR SANDS OIL TO REFINERIES IN SUPERIOR.

A MOTHER OF FOUR, MARTINEAU SAYS SHE WANTS TO STOP THE PIPELINE FOR THEIR FUTURE.

>> I'LL PUT MYSELF ON THE LINE, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL DO DIRECT ACTION AND I'LL PROTEST, I'LL STAND IN FRONT OF A MACHINE SO THAT MY RELATIVES ARE ABLE TO PRAY.

>> FOND DU LAC IS ONE OF THREE SOVEREIGN NATIVE NATIONS THAT HAVE SETTLED WITH ENBRIDGE OVER THE REROUTING WITH LINE 3 BUT THE VISIONS WITHIN THE TRIBE CAME TO A HEAD RECENTLY WHEN A FALSE BOMB THREAT INSIDE ONE OF THE PIPES ANGERED TRIBAL LEADERS.

MARTINEAU DENIES INVOLVEMENT.

>> I TOOK A KNEE, I HUMBLED MYSELF BEFORE MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND APOLOGIZED TO THEM FOR THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED.

BUT HAVE I'M DONE APOLOGIZING, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO OUR PART TO STOP LINE THREE AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP US.

>> FOND DU LAC CHAIR KEVIN DUPUIS SAYS IT ALLOWS THE BAND TO PROTEST IT BUT TRIBAL DECISIONS MUST BE RESPECTED.

>> THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED WASN'T AN ATTACK ON ENBRIDGE, IT WAS AN ATTACK ON FOUND DO YOU LACK.

>> HE SAYS THAT THE AGREEMENT TO REROUTE THE PIPELINE THROUGH THE RESERVATION OUT OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND IT WAS BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATIVE.

>> THE ORIGINAL PLAN IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH WERE TO GO THROUGH THE CEDED TERRITORY AND WE DIDN'T WANT ANY NEW CORRIDORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT GOING THROUGH THE CEDED TERRITORY BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, NOT TO HAVE ANY SAY-SO IN IT WHATSOEVER.

>> DUPUIS WON'T SAY HOW MUCH THE FINANCIAL SETTLEMENT WAS WITH ENBRIDGE BUT HE HINTED THAT IT INVOLVED HARD ISSUES THAT EXTEND BEYOND JUST LINE 3.

>> WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THERE'S STILL FIVE LINES IN THE GROUND, FIVE OF THEIR LINES SO WHOEVER IS GOING TO SIT HERE IN THESE POSITIONS S ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING TO END UP EALING WITH THEM SOMETIME.

>> WHAT THE BAND HAS NOT DONE, HE SAYS, IS BACKED THE ENTIRE LINE 3 PROJECT.

>> I CAN TELL YOU HERE WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, THE AGREEMENT WAS ONLY 13.2 MILES.

AND IF THAT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT'S OUT THERE, WE HAVE THE BACKING OF FOND DU LAC OR WE HAVE THE BACKING OF WHOEVER, I THINK THAT CAN BECOME AN ISSUE.

>> THERE ARE TRIBAL MEMBERS WHO ARE CLEARLY BENEFITING.

ASHLEY DIVER IS A MOTHER OF FOUR WHO HAS STRUGGLED FINANCIALLY.

>> SO I WAS MAKING $15 AN HOUR WORKING AS A CULTURAL ADVISOR AT THE TREATMENT CENTER AND I COULD BARELY PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.

>> NOW SHE EXPECTS TO PULL IN $1400 A WEEK AS A WELDER-HELPER AT THIS PUMP STATION WEST OF DULUTH.

SHE'S ONE OF 150 NATIVE AMERICANS TO GO THROUGH TRAINING BY ENBRIDGE.

THE COMPANY SAYS NEARLY 400 TRIBAL MEMBERS ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECT.

DIVER SAYS SHE HEARS THE CRITICISM.

>> THERE ARE PEOPLE SAYING I WAS A SELL-OUT AND A TRADER, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE SO EITHER -- IS MORE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PUT IN SAFELY.

>> STATE REGULATORS CLEARED THE PROJECT LAST YEAR.

CONSTRUCTION STARTED IN NOVEMBER.

TODAY, ENBRIDGE SAYS THE REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS ABOUT 50% COMPLETE.

>> YOU SEE THIS GREEN CODING ON THE -- GREEN COATING ON THE PIPE?

THIS IS EPOXY.

>> PAUL EBERTH IS THE DIRECTOR OF TRIBAL ENGAGEMENT FOR ENBRIDGE.

HE SAYS REPLACING THE PIPE IS SAFER.

>> IT FEELS GREAT TO BE WHERE WERE, 60 YEARS OF RIGOROUS REVIEW FOR IN PEIPLINE PROJECT.

>> IN FEBRUARY, ENBRIDGE FILED A REPORT WITH THE STATE ON ITS TRIBAL INCLUSION EFFORTS, INCLUDING INVESTING A MILLION DOLLARS FOR RADIO AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FOOD FOR ELDERS.

AND OVER $150 MILLION WAS INVESTED TO HIRE NATIVE OR TRIBAL-OWNED BUSINESSES IN THE STATE.

>> THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT SIX YEARS AND WE MADE ABOUT 320 ROUTE MODIFICATIONS DURING THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.

INPUT CAME IN NOT JUST FROM THE TRIBAL CULTURALLY SOURCES SURVEY BUT A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT WAS DONE BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, ABOUT 13,000 PAGES.

THERE WERE NUMEROUS PUBLIC MEETINGS.

>> ABOUT 60 MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE TO PROBABILITY CULTURALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.

EBERTH SAYS THEY PRESENTED A STRONG CASE.

>> SOME CLAIM THAT THE DEMAND HASN'T BEEN PROVEN BUT RIGHT NOW, LINE 3 IS FULL.

IT'S OPERATING AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY THAT WE CAN OPERATE IT AT SAFELY TODAY AND THAT OIL IS GOING TO END USERS, IT'S GOING TO REFINERIES AND IT'S DEMANDED TODAY.

>> BUT SEVERAL NATIVE TRIBES ARE FIGHTING THE PROJECT IN COURT.

THE MILLE LACS BAND OF OJIBWE SAYS THERE ARE THEIR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN AN AFTER-THOUGHT.

>> THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HAPPENS BECAUSE WE START, WAIT A MINUTE, HERE OU NO, YOU DIDN'T BOTHER TO COME AND TALK TO US AND HEAR AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE.

AND THAT'S THE ROUTE IT HAS TAKEN.

THINGS MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IN THE BEGINNING IF WE WERE ABLE TO BE CONSULTED WITH -- FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS DISCUSSION, SIX YEARS AGO.

>> THE LINE 3 REPLACEMENT ROUTE CROSSES JUST NORTH OF THE MILLE LACS BAND RESERVATION.

BENJAMIN SAYS THE SHAND' LAKE WATERSHED WAS OF HIGH CONCERN.

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MANUMEN, IT HAS A HIGH CULTURAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ANISHINAABE TO PROTECT.

BECAUSE IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PREVENT THIS FROM MOVING FORWARD, WE WANTED A DIFFERENT ROUTE.

AND SO THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS FORCED.

>> ENBRIDGE SAYS IT'S ENGAGED MORE WITH THE TRIBES THAN IT HAS FOR PAST PROJECTS.

MEANWHILE, ARGUEMENTS IN STATE AND FEDERAL APPEALS COURTS ARE BEING HEARD ON THE CERTIFICATE OF NEED AND ROUTE.

>> WE FOUND ON-EXPERT -- >> THE LAWYER IS GOING -- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE UNITED STATES CONSUMPTION SO IT'S ALL BEING EXPORTED OUT SO, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THEY REALLY NEED IT?

JUST TO FILL THE POCKETS OF JUST A FEW PEOPLE?

>> FOR NOW, PIPELINE RESISTORS AT THIS CAMP NEAR PALISADE ARE GRATEFUL FOR A TEMPORARY WORK STOPPAGE BECAUSE OF FROZEN GROUND WATER.

>> JUST DOWN HE ROAD FROM THE WATER PROTECTORS' CAMP IS HERE, A BATTLE GROUND, WHERE LINE 3 PIPE IS ALREADY IN THE GROUND AND CREWS ARE ON STANDBY WAITING FOR THE WEATHER TO WARM UP SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THE WORK DOWN THIS PATH AND UNDER THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.

>> ENBRIDGE SAYS THE WORK WILL CONTINUE JUNE 1st.

THAT CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR LOCAL OFFICIALS, WHOSE COMMUNITIES DEPEND ON ENBRIDGE WORKERS.

>> WE'RE ALL ERY SMALL TOWNS AND WITH THIS LAST YEAR OF COVID, IT'S HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY.

ALL OUR HOTELS AND MOTELS WERE FULL, THE RESTAURANTS AND THE GAS STATIONS ALL HAD BUSINESS, AND NOW WITH THEM GONE FOR A MONTH OR SO, YOU CAN ALREADY SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCE.

>> McMURRIN ALSO WORKS FOR AN ENBRIDGE CONTRACTOR AND IS A MEMBER OF THE WHITE EARTH BAND.

SHE SAYS MOST OF HER COUNTY DEPENDS ON THE PIPELINE IN SOME WAY.

>> IT'S GONNA GET PUT IN SO LET'S JUST WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE SAFELY.

YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP DELAYING THE INEVITABLE IS ALL THEY'RE DOING AND GUESS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN TO, EVERYBODY, THE COST, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO GET THIS DONE.

♪♪ >> ERIC: THE VIKINGS DRAFTED, THE WILD ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS, AND THE T-WOLVES HAVE MORE WINS THIS MONTH THAN THE TWINS.

IT'S A ROLLER COASTER RIDE FOLLOWING SPORTS IN MINNESOTA.

LARRY FITZGERALD JOINS US FOR THIS MONTHLY SPORTING CHAT.

HE IS A VETERAN SPORTS COLUMNIST AND RADIO AND TV COMMENTATOR.

FITZY, THE VIKINGS GOT THEIR NEEDED LEFT TACKLE.

ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE PICK?

>> WELL, ERIC, I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE FOCUSED ON DEFENSE.

I SAW THAT 475-POINT EMBARRASSMENT THAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR AND, REMEMBER, THEY BEAT JACKSONVILLE WHO HAD ONE WIN IN VERTIME AT U.S. BANK STADIUM SO THEY HAD O PROBLEM ON OFFENSE.

THEY WERE 6th IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE OFFENSIVELY WITH THE RUNNING GAME, WITH THE -- WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO, AND KIRK COUSINS SLINGING IT DOWN THE FIELD BUT THEY DECIDED THAT THEY NEED TO IMPROVE ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE AND THEY'VE GOT A GUY THAT THEY HOPE, OU KNOW, CHRISTIAN DARRISAW, WHO IS A BIG GUY AT 64 AND A HALF, 230 POUNDS, VERY SOLID, HASN'T GIVEN UP A SACK IN ALMOST THREE YEARS SO HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN AND BE A STARTER.

>> FITZY, IS AARON RODGERS REALLY GOING TO LEAVE THE GREEN BAY PACKERS?

>> HE'S LET THEM KNOW HE WANTS TO BE TRADED.

IT'S AMAZING -- I WAS JUST TALKING TO ERIC ABOUT THIS, BRETT FAVRE, PART STARR AND NOW AARON RODGERS HAVE ALL PLAYED 16 YEARS REQUESTED GREEN BAY PACKERS, SO ALL OF THEM WON CHAMPIONSHIPS, STARR WON MORE BUT FAVRE GOT THEM TO TWO SUPER BOWLS BUT RODGERS IS STILL STEAMING FROM THE DRAFT PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND LAST YEAR.

HE THOUGHT IT WAS A KICK IN THE SEAT AND YOU SAW HE WAS THE MVP IN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE SO HE HOLDS ALL THE LEVERAGE, ALL THE CARDS AND HE WANTS OUT.

>> Eric: I HEARD YOU OPT RADIO THIS WEEK SASAY THAT WHILE IT'S ONLY APRIL FOR THE TWINS, IT MAY BE LATER THAN THEY THINK.

>> IT IS.

I MEAN, JUST THINK ABOUT IT, IF IT WAS LAST YEAR, THEY'D BE DONE.

I MEAN, 60-GAME SPRINT, YOU CAN'T START 7-15, BUT ANY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WIN AT HOME, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WIN ON THE ROAD AND PART OF IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FINISH.

TO FINISH FIRST, YOU MUST FIRST FINISH AND THEIR BULLPEN HAS THROWN KEROSENE ON FIRES.

THEIR STARRY LEAVER THEY SIGNED, HE'S 0-3 AND WHEN THEY GO TO EXTRA INNINGS, THEY HAVEN'T WON A GAME YET.

THEY HAVE A HUGE WEEKEND SERIES, THIS KANSAS CITY TEAM HAS THE BEST RECORD IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WIN THIS SERIES AND TRY TO CRAWL THEIR WAY BACK.

>> Cathy: TIMBERWOLVES HAVE WON FOUR IN A ROW AND I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHERE YOU THINK THEY GOT THIS POWERFUL 3-POINT GAME.

>> WELL, THEY MADE 203S AGAINST GOLDEN STRAIGHT.

THE WARRIORS AS YOU KNOW HAVE ONE THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE LAST SIX YEARS AND THEY HAVE THE GREATEST THREE-POINT SHOOTER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL IN STEFON CURRY, I THINK HE MADE 100 3S IN APRIL ALONE AND HAD 37 THE OTHER NIGHT BUT THE TIMBERWOLVES ARE PLAYING THEIR BEST BASEBALL FOR COACH CHRIS FINCH.

THEY'VE WON FOUR IN A ROCKS THE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ELIMINATED, PLAYOFFS FORGET ABOUT IT BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE RATE NEW THEY'RE PROBABLY AS HEALTHY AS THEY'VE BEEN ALL SEASON.

>> Eric: WILD MAKE THE PLAYOFFS BUT WILL THEY LOSE HOME ICE ADVANTAGE?

>> THE I HOPE NOT.

THOSE WERE TOUGH LOSSES TO THE St. LOUIS BLUES, THEY CAME IN AND WON A COUPLE GUT-WRENCHERS.

THE WILD ABSOLUTELY GAVE ONE AWAY WEDNESDAY, THEY HAD A 3-1 LEAD IN THE THIRD PERIOD AND GAVE ARE UP THREE STRAIGHT GOALS, LOSE THAT ONE IN REGULATION AND COME BACK THE LAST NIGHT AND LOSE ANOTHER TOUGH ONE, THAT ONE WENT TO OVERTIME.

THEY WERE FORTUNATE TO GET ONE POINT BUT, REMEMBER, THE BLUES WON THE STANLEY CUP JUST TWO, THREE YEARS AGO AND THEY THINK THEY CAN GET BACK THERE AGAIN.

>> Eric: I GOT SOUP AND SANDWICH IN THE DERBY.

YOU GOT AN OPINION ON A HORSE FOR US?

>> I'M GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD ON THAT ONE.

YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SPORT OF KINGS.

>> Eric: MAYBE A PRINCESS FOR ME, BUT THANKS, FITZY, GREAT TO SEE YOU IN THE STUDIO.

>> THANKS YOU GUYS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: SEE YOU LATER.

LESH CLEAR ♪♪ ♪♪ >> CATHY: THE SEASONS CHANGE AND SO DOES THE PARADE OF BIRDS.

HERE FOR A SPRING TIME VISIT TO TELL US WHAT TO BE LOOKING FOR IN OUR BACKYARD FEEDERS, SHARON STITELER, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE BIRD CHICK.

SHE JOINS US FROM HER BACKYARD IN A SECRET LOCATION IN THE NORTH METRO.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

[Laughter] >> IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU, TOO.

AND I HAVE SOME BIRDS SINGING IN THE BACKGROUND, TOO.

>> Cathy: SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SO COOL WHEN -- I MENTIONED THIS ON THE AIR ON MPR THIS MORNING, THE OTHER MORNING, WHEN YOU POSTED A PICTURE OF A RADAR LOOP AND YOU COULD SEE BIRDS ACTUALLY MIGRATING AT NIGHT.

I DIDN'T NOW THEY MIGRATED AT NIGHT.

>> YES, MOST SONG BIRDS MIGRATE AT NIGHT, AND THEY DO THAT FOR A COUPLE REASONS, AND THIS IS A RADAR LOOP THAT I GOT JUST THIS WEEK, SO ALL THOSE BLUE CIRCLES THAT YOU SEE, THOSE ARE BIRDS THAT ARE LIFTING UP TO FLY NORTH AND RADAR STATIONS RE PICKING THEM UP.

THEY CAN TELL SOMETHING ASK THERE BUT THEY DIDN'T DEFINE IT SO THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS UP AS A CIRCLE.

WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES YOU GO OUTSIDE AND YOU CAN SOMETIMES HEAR THEM CHIRPING BACK AND FORTH BUT YOU CAN ALSO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO CALL IN SICK THE NEXT DAY TO GO BIRDING.

>> Cathy: I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF GREAT STUFF, WE'RE GOING TO ROLL THROUGH SOME OF THIS.

SO ARE WE SEEING ORIOLES ALREADY?

>> THEY'RE STARTING TO COME IN.

PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE DAYS FROM NOW, WE'LL GET A BIGGER PUSH BUT I'VE ALREADY SEEN PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN MinnPost PICTURES ON MINNESOTA BIRDING OF HAVING BALTIMORE ORIOLES, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SLICED UP YOUR ORANGES YET, SLICE THEM UP AND GET THEM OUT.

THE OR I DON'T MEANS DON'T SHOW UP RIGHT AWAY, THE HOUSE FINCHES AND CAT BIRDS WILL.

>> Eric: WERE THE SAND HILL CRANES ALWAYS IN MINNESOTA?

>> YOU KNOW, THEIR NUMBERS HAVE DEFINITELY GOTTEN BIGGER BUT THAT IS A BIRD THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN MINNESOTA, BUT THANKS TO MANAGING THE LAND BETTER AND MAKING IT A SAFER PLACE FOR SAND HILL CRANES, WE NOW EVER QUITE A FEW AND THEY'RE BREEDING IN THE METRO AREA.

TWO YEARS AGO, A PAIR TRIED TO ESTABLISH A NEST AT LILYDALE IN St. PAUL, THEY'VE TRIED AT MINNESOTA VALLEY NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE DOWN IN BLOOMINGTON SO WE'RE REALLY FOR THE NIGHT THAT THAT'S BECOMING KIND OF AN URBAN BIRD FOR US.

>> Cathy: I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD A SANDS HILL CRANE, WHAT DO THEY SOUNDS LIKE?

[Laughter] >> I DON'T HAVE A FAIR RINGS SO I CAN'T DO IT NEARLY AS WELL AS THEY CAN BUT THEY -- IT'S IND OF ATRIUM TEE TEE... [TRILOGY SOUNDS] >> WAY, WAY LOUDER THAN THAT.

>> Cathy: VERY COOL, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

AND THEY'RE BACK, WHICH IS GREAT.

I'VE I NEVER SEEN A THRASHER BEFORE.

HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THIS LITTLE GUY?

>> A COUSIN OF A MOCKINGBIRD, THEY MIMIC THE SOUNDS OF OTHER BIRDS.

WE GET HE THROWN THRASHERS AND CAT BIRDS HERE AND THEY'RE IN THE MOCKING FAMILY AND YOU CAN TELL BROWN TRASHERS BECAUSE THEY REPEAT THE PHRASE.

IF YOU HEAR A BIRD OUT THERE AND YOU'RE HEARING THE CALL BEING REPEATED TWICE, THAT WILL BE THE ROWN THRASHER AND THEY LOVE TO LIVE UP DO THEIR NAME, THRASH LEAVES AROUND AND LEAVE INSECTS, SOMETIMES THERE'LL COME FOR SUET OR ORANGES, I THINK HE MNEMONIC TO REMEMBER THEM, IS DROP IT, DROP HE IS, COVER IT I UP, COVER IT UP, PICK IT UP, PICK IT UP, BUT IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING MAKING THAT REPEAT NOSE.

>> THE ROSE-BREASTED IS VERY PRETTY BIRD.

>> THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MY FAVORITES AND I SAW SOMEONE ON THE MINNESOTA BIRDING Facebook PAGE POSTED A AIR DOWN IN RED WING SO THEY'LL BE HERE ANY MINUTE.

THEY WILL EAT SAFFLOWER SO IF YOU EVER A PROBLEM WITH BACK BIRDS RIGHT NOW, I KNOW LOT OF PEOPLE INTRODUCED JUST A TRAY OF STAFF LOWER, GROSBEAKS WILL GO FOR THAT, MINE LIKE SUN FLOWER SEEDS BUT THEY LIKE THE TRACE, SO THEY'RE COMING THROUGH.

>> Cathy: WE HAVE ANOTHER TWITTER QUESTION ABOUT HUMMINGBIRD.

HOW DO I GET THE HUMMING BIRDS TO MY YARD.

I'VE HAD THE FEEDER UP IN DIFFERENT PLACES FOR A YEAR, I CHANGE OUT THE RED LIQUID FOOD AND STILL NO BIRD COMING AND THIS PERSON IS REALLY DEPRESSED ABOUT THAT.

>> I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU AND PART OF IT S TIMING AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I'VE GIVEN UP ON THE FEEDERS IN MY YARD, I LIVE IN FALCON HEIGHTS, AND I PLANT THIS FLOWER CALLED CARDINAL FLOWER AND I ALSO PLANT SALVIA, THEY LOVE IT.

MONARDA, ALSO KNOWN AS BEE BAUM ALSO ATTRACTS HUMMING BIRDS AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT FLOWERS, YOU DON'T TO HAVE CLEAN THEM.

SO I RECOMMEND LOOKING INTO SOME NATIVE PLANTS BUT CARDINAL FLOWER, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLANTS THAT YOU'LL FIND OUT THERE AND THEY WILL COME TO IT.

AND WE TEND TO GET MORE HUMMING BIRDS JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER IN THE METRO AREA, WHEREAS IN OTHER AREAS, ITS THEY TENDS TO GET THEM ALL SUMMER LONG.

>> Eric: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO BE DOING IN DANALI THIS SUMMER?

>>S I GOT A TEMPORARY PROPER MOTION TO WORK FOR THEM AS A PUBLIC OFFICER.

IF YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT WITH WILD LIFE, I GET TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

>> Eric: YOU ONLY SEE THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN LIKE 30% OF THE TIME, SO... >> I WILL BE THERE THREE MONTHS SO I THINK MY CHANCES ARE GOOD BUT I'M ALSO HOPING TO SEE A SPRUCE GROS, I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE.

>> Eric: MY MONEY IS ON YOU, KID.

THANKS.

[Laughter] >> I'M SURE WE'VE ALL HAD TIMES WHERE WE'VE FELT INSIGNIFICANT AND INEFFECTUAL.

THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS ARE SO BIG AND EACH OF US IS JUST ONE PERSON.

WHAT POSSIBLE DIFFERENCE COULD A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL MAKE?

THE ANSWER CAME THIS WEEK, WHEN THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU ANNOUNCED NEW POPULATION TOTALS FOR THE COUNTRY.

MINNESOTA'S 5,709,752 RESIDENTS ALLOW US TO KEEP OUR EIGHT CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON, WHEN IT WAS WIDELY FEARED THAT THE STATE WOULD LOSE A SEAT.

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YOU?

WELL, DEPENDING ON THE METHODOLOGY ONE USES, WE WERE ONLY A FEW DOZEN RESIDENTS AWAY FROM LOSING OUR EIGHTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

LET ME PUT THAT ANOTHER WAY.

IF ONE FEWER PERSON IN EACH OF MINNESOTA'S 87 COUNTIES HADN'T FILLED OUT THEIR CENSUS FORM, THE STATE MIGHT HAVE LOST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL FUNDING FOR EVERYTHING FROM HIGHWAYS TO SCHOOL BREAKFAST PROGRAMS.

I DON'T WANT TO GLOAT BUT YOU KNOW WHO WE BEAT OUT FOR THE 435TH SEAT IN CONGRESS?

NEW YORK.

AS IN HOME OF THE YANKEES?

AS IN THE FOLKS PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TWINS' 0-FOR-18 FUTILITY STREAK IN THE PLAYOFFS.

THAT NEW YORK?

YEAH.

OH, THEY'RE GROUSING ABOUT SUING FOR A RECOUNT OR SOMETHING.

BUT IT'S CLEARLY A CASE OF TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE.

MINNESOTA HAD THE NUMBER ONE CENSUS RESPONSE RATE IN THE COUNTRY.

NEW YORK?

NUMBER 31.

IN THE PROFESSIONAL CIRCLES IN WHICH I TRAVEL, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN AND A LOT OF MOBILIZATION FOR THE 2020 CENSUS.

THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE AND ALL KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TO MAKE SURE MINNESOTA HAD A FULL AND FAIR COUNT.

BUT NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOU.

AND YOU.

AND YOU.

INDIVIDUALS.

MAKING A LOT OF DIFFERENCE.

♪♪ >> TODAY IS OUR STAFF CELEBRATION OF GETTING THROUGH A YEAR OF COVID AND WHILE WE KNOW E'RE NOT TOTALLY OUT OF THE WOODS, IT DOES MEAN A LOT TO HAVE MADE IT A WHOLE YEAR.

A LOT OF OUR STAFF IS CELEBRATING GET THANK THEIR FIRST SHOT SO WE CLOSED THE TAP ROOM TODAY AND DOING A CRAWFISH BOIL TO CELEBRATE.

NO REASON, WE'VE NEVER DONE ONE BEFORE.

IT'S BEEN STRESSFUL FOR OUR FRONT-LINE TAFF AS WELL AS OUR BREWERS.

WE'VE ALL BEEN DODGING, WEAVING, AND I THINK WE ALL DESERVE A KIND OF A NIGHT TO OURSELVES.

THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE NEXT AND IF WE WOULD MAKE IT, F -- WHAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME AND -- BUT SINCE WE'VE HAD A VACCINE OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY LAST FEW WEEKS A LOT OF OUR STAFF HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS IT, THAT'S MEANT A LOT AND I THINK IT'S GIVEN US A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

>> CATHY: THERE ARE JUST TWO FULL WEEKS LEFT IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND MUCH WORK IS STILL UP IN THE AIR.

POLICE REFORM.

EMERGENCY POWERS.

THE BUDGET.

A BONDING BILL.

LET'S CHECK IN WITH TWO VETERAN LEGISLATIVE WATCHERS.

JAVIER MORILLO IS A DEMOCRAT AND FORMER DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBER.

AMY KOCH IS A REPUBLICAN AND A FORMER SENATE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

SENATOR KOCH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE, AT THOSE LOVELY AND VERY LONG NEGOTIATING SESSIONS AT THE END OF SESSION, HOW DOES POLICE REFORM AND THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY POWERS MAYBE FACTOR INTO AN END-OF-SESSION GLOBAL DEAL?

>> WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW HARD THE STRONGEST ADVOCATES FOR THOSE ISSUES ARE WILLING TO FIGHT.

SO THERE IS DEFINITE LEVERAGE, RIGHT?

THERE'S ANY KIND OF GROUP AT THE CAPITOL WITH ENOUGH -- WITH ENOUGH MEMBERS, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE MAJORITY, YOU COULD CONTROL THE CONVERSATION AROUND EMERGENCY POWERS ND AROUND POLICE REFORM.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS -- THERE'S A POCI CAUCUS, WHICH IS PEOPLE OF COLOR AND INDIGENOUS.

IF THEY WOULD DECIDE THAT, LISTEN, WE ARE HOLDING THE LINE AND WE WILL NOT GIVE A BUDGET UNTIL WE GET POLICE REFORM, THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS TO BE EFFECTIVE.

IN BOTH HOUSES, AND THE SENATE, OF COURSE, YOU CAN REMOVE THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY POWERS AND YOU'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE IN THE HOUSE AND GIVEN THAT YOU'RE SEEING PLACES LIKE NEW YORK'S MAYOR DEBLASIO SAYING HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE ENTIRE CITY OF NEW YORK OPEN BY JULY, YOU'RE GOING TO START TO REALLY -- THEY'RE FEELING THAT PRESSURE.

I HAVE TO BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR IS FEELING THAT PRESSURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A VOTE THAT COMES IN.

AND THEN HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND THEN NEVER MINDS, WE HAVE THE FEDERAL MONEY COMING N BUT WE DON'T EVER GUIDANCE ON THAT YET SO IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING COULD BE WRAPPED UP, ANYWAY, BY MAY 17th.

A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

>> Eric: WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THE ENDS GAME HERE, JAVIER?

>> WELL, I THINK TO ADD TO HE MIX THAT WITH A LOT OF THE FEDERAL MONEY, THAT IF THERE IS NO DEAL, THAT THE GOVERNOR WILL BE ABLE TO WITH EMERGENCY POWERS TO BE ABLE TO ALLOT THAT MONEY AND SO -- SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE DYNAMICS OF WHO WANTS A DEAL AND WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO WALK AWAY ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS SESSION THAN THEY WERE IN PAST YEARS WHERE WE'VE OFTEN SAID, I THINK, ON THIS VERY SHOW THAT OFTEN REPUBLICANS COME TO THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS NOT WANTING ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND AND THAT PUTS DEMOCRATS IN A TOUGH SPOT TLEADER GAZELKA HAS SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT HE WANTS THE LEGISLATURE TO BE ABLE TO DO -- MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND SO I THINK THE GOVERNOR ENTERS WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF LEVERAGE HERE, AS DOES, AS AMY SAID THE POCI CAUCUS AND POLICE REFORM.

SENATOR GAZELKA SAID HE WOULD HOLD HEARINGS ON THESE AND HE'S BACKTRACKED ON THAT SO WE'LL SEE.

I THINK FOR POLITICAL NERDS AND WATCHERS OF THE CAPITOL, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING ENDS OF SESSION BECAUSE THE LEVERAGE POINTS ARE A LOT MORE, I THINK, DISBURSED AND EVEN THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN YEARS PAST.

>> I WOULD AGREE, ALSO THE ONLY THING IS, UNLIKE THE FEDERAL BUDGET, THE STATE BUDGET MUST E BALANCED BY JUNE 30th OR WE GO INTO SHUTDOWN WHICH WE DID A DECADE AGO.

EXACTLY THIS TIME.

SO THAT IS ANOTHER LEVERAGE POINT OF PARLIMENTARY INQUIRY.

THEY MUST COMPLETE -- WITH OR WITHOUT THE FEDERAL MONEY AND WHATEVER THE GOVERNOR DOES WITH THAT, THEY MUST BALANCE THE BUDGET BY JUNE 30th.

>> Cathy: AND THEY DON'T NEED A BONDING BILL, THIS IS NOT A BONDING SESSION, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BONDING BILL ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THAT MONEY GOING TO REBUILD AREAS OF MINNEAPOLIS AND St. PAUL THAT WERE DESTROYED BY THE GEORGE FLOYD CIVIL UNREST.

DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO PASS AT ALL, JAVIER?

>> I CERTAINLY HOPE SO AND AGAIN I THINK EITHER ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS PRESSURE TO GET AGREEMENT ON SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF DO ANYTHING FOR MINNEAPOLIS TO- AND St. PAUL, WHICH I THINK IS DEEPLY UNFORTUNATE GIVEN THAT THE CITIES ARE AN ENGINE OF ECONOMIC GROWTH NORTH WHOLE STATE AND THAT THE WHOLE STATE -- WE DEPEND ON EACH OTHER, THE RURAL AREAS DEPENDS ON THE METRO AND VICE VERSA.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT IT ADDS-IT ADD TO THIS MIX OF JUST WHAT I SAID EARLIER, RIGHT, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF -- THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON THE TABLE THAT I THINK COULD RESULT IN A SITUATION OF LOTS OF PEOPLE HAPPY OR MAYBE JUST ONE PERSON HAPPY AND THE GOVERNOR SORT OF SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE COULDN'T GET TO AN AGREEMENT.

>> Cathy: AMY KOCH, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WHAT I EAR FROM MY FELLOW REPUBLICANS IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HELP THE PEOPLE, THE BUSINESSES OF MINNEAPOLIS, WHAT THEY SAW AS A REAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP THAT HAVE HAD TO SOME VERY SERIOUS DESTRUCTION, LEADERSHIP AT ALL LEVELS AND THEN YOU HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT CALLED AFTER ALL OF THAT TO DEFUNDS THE POLICE.

SO THAT I THINK IS A STICKING POINT FOR REPUBLICANS.

THEY ERTAINLY NDERSTAND THAT ALL MINNESOTANS, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE COME TOGETHER IN HARD TIMES AND THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE CITY -- THE RESIDENTS OF MINNEAPOLIS, THE BUSINESSES, THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE HARMED, THEY WANT TO HELP THERE BUT THERE IS A PROFOUND CONCERN AT THE LEADERSHIP LEVEL AT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE AND CONTINUE TO BE MADE.

AND I THINK THEY -- THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THEY'LL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> Eric: JAVIER AND SENATOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH THIS.

JAVIER, SENATOR GAZELKA, THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE SAID IN THE EWS CONFERENCE THIS WEEK THAT HE FEELS THE PRESSURE MAY BE OFF A ITTLE BIT SINCE THERE WAS, IN HIS VIEW, A JUST VERDICT IN THE CHAUVIN CASE.

ALSO WANTS TO LETS THE RETHAT WERE PASSED LAST JULY IN SPECIAL SESSION WORK AND WITH THE PRACTICES CIVIL -- U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION IN MINNEAPOLIS, MAYBE SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT BEFORE ACTING.

HOW DO ALL THOSE COMMENTS STRIKE YOU?

>> I FIND THEM DEEPLY TROUBLING.

YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR THE CHAUVIN VERDICT, WE SAW ANOTHER DAUNT TAKE WRIGHT, A YOUNG MAN WAS KILLED BY A POLICE OFFICER WHO MISTOOK HER -- A VETERAN OFFICER WHO, WELL, WE'RE TO BELIEVE, MISTAKE A TASER FOR A GUN.

WE SEE THIS FAR TOO MUCH AND THE MINNESOTA HAS BECOME NOT JUST TO THE UNITED STATES BUT TO THE WORLD, OUR REPUTATION TO THE WORLD AND SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH IS THAT WE ARE TO THE WORLD A PLACE WHERE IT IS UNSAFE TO BE BLACK.

AND ALSO WHERE E DON'T DO A GREAT JOB OF HANDLING PROTESTS AFTER BLACK PEOPLE ARE KILLED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT?

AND THE PROBLEM IS A BIG ONE AND TO SORT OF, LIKE, TO JUST SAY THAT, WELL, THIS ONE VERDICT -- AS EVERYONE INVOLVED SAID, AS THE FAMILY OF GEORGE FLOYD SAID, THIS IS JUST BUT ONE ISSUE AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT.

DAUNTE WRIGHT'S BODY HAD BARELY BEEN BURIED WHEN SENATOR GAZELKA SAID, WELL, WE'RE DONE HERE.

I JUST THINK IT'S DEEPLY UNFORTUNATE AND IT BEHOOVES US AS A STATE.

MINNESOTANS, WE ARE PROUD OF BEING MINNESOTAN, WE'RE PROUD OF THE ROLE THAT WE'VE OFTEN PLAYED AS A LEADER IN ALL KINDS OF ISSUES, INCLUDING CIVIL RIGHTS BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE BEHIND AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TO OUR SHAME AND WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> Eric: SENATOR?

>> YEAH, I I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE COULD OME TOGETHER.

THERE IS A FAIRLY NEW PROPOSAL TO STOP WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS PULLING PEOPLE OVER FOR THINGS LIKE EXPIRED LICENSE TABS.

LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE AND WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT HOW THE THEIR DUTIES HAVE EXPANDED BEYOND -- BEYOND WHAT IS NECESSARY AND REALLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THEIR DUTIES SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE MAKING THEM TAX COLLECTORS AS A REPUBLICAN, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S -- I HOPE THAT THERE IS THIS CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THESE ISSUES CAN ALSO COME UP.

I HOPE THAT THEY'LL HAVE SOME VERY PUBLIC CONFERENCE COMMITTEES ON THIS, SOME OF THESE REFORMS ARE IN THE HOUSE BILL BUT I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT AS A REPUBLICAN, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD GET TOGETHER ON AND I'M REALLY HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL.

AND THAT WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED ITH DAUNTE WRIGHT, MAY HAVE BEEN THE KEY TO NONE OF THAT HAPPENING AND HE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

>> Cathy: ANOTHER ISSUE -- GO AHEAD, JAVIER.

>> I THINK WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS, I THINK, JUST LATE LAST NIGHT, KARE-11 HAD A BIG PIECE ON A HORRIBLE CASE IN COON RAPIDS WHERE IT WAS A WARRANT BEING SERVED BY MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY DIDN'T DO THE DUE DILIGENCE AND SO THE ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF HAD A NO-KNOCK WARRANT ON WOMAN AND HER CHILD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THEY TORE DOWN HER DOOR, HER CHILD WAS TERRIFIED AND THEY JUST HAD THE WRONG PLACE.

AND THEY JUST DIDN'T DO THE MINIMAL DUE DILIGENCE.

REPRESENTATIVE ATHENA HOLLINS HAS A BILL TO RESTRICT THE USE OF NO-KNOCK WARRANTS TO CASES OF FELONIES, I THINK ITS FOR VIOLENCE FOR CASES OF MURDER THAT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, THAT I WOULD HOPE WE COULD GET AGREEMENT ON ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SEE ANOTHER INSTANCE OF WHERE THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CASE OF BREONNA TAILOR IN St. LOUIS THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY AWARE OF NATIONALLY.

ALMOST THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THANK GOD IT DID NOT END IN DEATH BUT WE JUST NARROWLY ESCAPED YET ANOTHER TRAGEDY.

>> Cathy: ANOTHER ISSUE, REDISTRICTING.

OF COURSE WE HAD THE CENSUS NUMBERS OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK.

JUST IS T A FOREGONE CONCLUSION IT'S GOING TO WIND UP IN THE COURTS HERE IN MINNESOTA, SENATOR KOCH?

>> IT WILL.

TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS THE MAJORITY LEADER, I SAT ON THE SENATE REDISTRICTING, WE HAD THE HOUSE AND SENATE WERE REPUBLICAN, WE PASSED A MAP, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE HOUSE PASSES A VERSION, THE SENATE DOES, AND WE CAME TOGETHER AND AGREED, WE SENT IT TO OVERNOR DAYTON, HE VETOED IT.

THAT HAS HAPPENED THE LAST FOUR CYCLES IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA BECAUSE AT EACH TIME, WE'VE HAD DIVIDED GOVERNMENT AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN, WE HAVE A D.F.L.

HOUSE, A REPUBLICAN SENATE, I DON'T BELIEVE FOR A MOMENT THEY'LL AGREE ON A MAP.

IT WILL GO TO THE COURTS.

SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME REDISTRICTING REFORM.

I WAS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THIS I REALLY WANTED OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO BE THE ONES TO DECIDE.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKING MAPS FOR THEMSELVES ND I ALSO THINK IT'S GONE TO AN INDEPENDENT PANEL NOW FOR SO MANY DECADES, AND SO I REALLY THINK -- I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, OMETHING WHERE A PANEL IS PERHAPS APPOINTED BY THE LEGISLATURE SO THEY STILL HAVE CONTROL AND OVERSIGHT AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT, NOPE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A MAP.

I BELIEVE IT WILL BE DRAWN BY THE COURTS AGAIN.

>> Eric: JAVIER, JUST A MINUTES LEFT BUT THE MARIJUANA -- RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA BILL IS MOVING IN THE HOUSE, I THINK THEY'RE HAVING A HEARING EVEN TOMORROW.

IT'S NOT GOING IN THE SENATE.

DEMOCRATS CONCERNED I SUPPOSE ANOTHER ROUNDS OF THOSE MARIJUANA PARTY CANDIDATES SIPHONING OFF VOTES IN LEGISLATIVE RACES?

>> I THINK OF COURSE THERE ARE POLITICAL CONCERNS, REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY RECRUITED THOSE CANDIDATES TO RUN TO SPLIT D.F.L.

VOTES BUT THEN IN THE END -- MEANWHILE, HERE'S THE OBSTACLE TO DO WHAT AMERICANS OVERWHELMINGLY WANT TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WE NOW ARE AT A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE WITH OTHER STATES ON THE ISSUE.

I THINK WE SHOULD -- WE SHOULD PASS RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA AND TAX IT AND THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST JOIN WHAT OTHER STATES ARE DOING.

I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LINGERING IN OUR PRISON SYSTEM AND WE NEED TO PASS CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM ALONG WITH THIS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE LONG SENTENCES FOR MARIJUANA USE BUT NOW THE TIDE HAS CHANGED ON THIS, AND SO IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT WILL BE ON US IN TERMS OF THE POLITICS ON S TO SHOW MINNESOTANS HAT IF YOU WANT MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION, VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT, NOT FOR THE PARTY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING UP TO CLAIM TO.

>> Eric: GOT TO RUN.

THANKS.

>> Cathy: THANKS, GUYS.

SEE YOU LATER.

♪♪ >> CATHY: IT'S THE PART OF THE SHOW WHERE WE TRY TO STUMP YOU ON A QUESTION ABOUT MINNESOTA HISTORY.

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THE YEAR IS 1908.

THE PLACE IS THE OLD MINNEAPOLIS AUDITORIUM, SEEN HERE.

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